Comments on Profile Post by Poryg

  1. Elliott404
    Elliott404
    Some ppl actually buy certificates, any degree, from black markets to get a job they want, but don't know how it works as long as they get paid.
    Jul 8, 2019
  2. cabfe
    cabfe
    Isn't logic more related to Mathematics rather than Philosophy?
    Jul 8, 2019
  3. Poryg
    Poryg
    @cabfe While it does involve numbers in truth values, it is not closer to mathematics, in fact it was part of philosophy until 16th century. It's about statements, whether they are true or false, what makes them this way and what makes it possible to prove them.
    Modern maths are built on logic too.
    Jul 8, 2019
  4. Poryg
    Poryg
    I can understand where you come from though, in IT you use some fraction of logic and IT is closer to mathematics, since computers were calculators at first. But the logic itself is not really closer to mathematics. It's somewhere in between and even if you study philosophy in university, you will study some parts of logic (although not as extensively).
    Jul 8, 2019
  5. Philosophus Vagus
    Philosophus Vagus
    I dont know how it is over there but here the advent of postmodernism divorced the idea of logic based philosophy from academia entirely. The person you are referencing could mearly be a result of a similar trend, reality and logic are synthetic, everything is subjective. Objective truth is a myth. These are the principles of modern day philosophy in education.
    Jul 8, 2019
  6. Philosophus Vagus
    Philosophus Vagus
    Rationalism simply isnt taught any longer, it has been replaced by some weird emotional garbage that complements impericism with its feel good "logic".
    Jul 8, 2019
  7. gstv87
    gstv87
    there are people with PhD's in economics, running countries.
    so,... I hear you.
    Jul 8, 2019
  8. Poryg
    Poryg
    @Philosophus Vagus In our country philosophy has one semester of logic. Only the history though, Plato, Aristhoteles, Frege, Strawson etc. and not classical statement logic, classical predicate logic or fuzzy logic. Either way, even if you want to have a philosophical debate, you should know that your arguments need to have a logical background. Which wasn't the case there.
    Jul 8, 2019
  9. Poryg
    Poryg
    If I'm to state an example, he negated a statement that "a fetus is a person" with a statement "a fetus is not a person", saying that the former is false. Upon "What is a person?" he then explained that the entity of a person does not have an universally accepted definition and afterwards provided a definition according to which he'd be right.
    Jul 8, 2019
  10. Poryg
    Poryg
    Either way, this doesn't stand logically, because if a definition is not universally agreed on, then you can never say "something is x" or "something is not x". You can only state your opinion. But it's irrelevant anyway, because no matter what your definition of the entity of a person is, it's not right or wrong. The only thing we can use is a dictionary definition, which would make embryo a person.
    Jul 8, 2019
  11. Kupotepo
    Kupotepo
    @Philosophus Vagus, philosophy is still teach logic like debate argument and fallacy reasoning. Different philosopher has different view on subjects, so yeah it is not straight forward answer. It is more like different proffessor picks part that they prefer to teach. Remember it is just a semester, it is very short to get everything into a lesson plan.
    Jul 8, 2019
  12. Kupotepo
    Kupotepo
    @Philosophus Vagus, philosophy is more about argument and convince people to your logic. Science classes are more focused on logic and facts lol.
    Jul 8, 2019
  13. futrchamp
    futrchamp
    @Philosophus Vagus, it seems to me that may be broadly misunderstanding (and mischaracterizing) postmodernism as an outright rejection of truth and rationalism. Reality is subjective in that the same events can be perceived differently based on the observer's perspective.
    Jul 9, 2019
  14. futrchamp
    futrchamp
    That phenomenon can even be observed in concrete, "objective" physical reality - special relativity shows that there is no absolute reference frame wherein our physical laws operate.
    Jul 9, 2019
  15. futrchamp
    futrchamp
    The point is that humanity's knowledge, value systems, and basic logical/philosophical tenets by nature cannot be "objective" in the sense of absolute facts, because our collection of knowledge was ultimately built by a relatively small group of (imperfect) human minds, all of whom had unique belief systems, biases, cognitive dissonances, and motives.
    Jul 9, 2019
  16. futrchamp
    futrchamp
    However, acknowledging that there are vast gaps in human understanding of the world, and that belief and value systems can be influenced by centuries of cultural mechanisms, is NOT the same as rejecting rationality or logic.
    Jul 9, 2019
  17. futrchamp
    futrchamp
    An inquiring mind should be quite familiar with both (and vastly more) perspectives - in many cases the brute-force, classical rationality of Socrates is adequate to answer a question, but not always.
    Jul 9, 2019
  18. futrchamp
    futrchamp
    Often, it is easier for us to feel comfortable thinking that we have come a firm, unfalsifiable, "rational" conclusion that to accept that we rarely have knowledge of all relevant variables. That feeling of comfort should not come before truth.

    (Ramble over, hehe :3)
    Jul 9, 2019