I had to~
The original Rapunzel is incredible dark too...
If my memory serves right Rapunzel gets her eyes scratched out and gets left in a poisonous swamp and wanders around blind and aimlessly for a long, long time~~
Something tells me I need to read the original versions of these "kid's stories"!
Best tragedies there are XD
Sounds like the Game of Thrones versions of fables BD
Yeah! Game of Fables!
Something tells me that you people would love this series:
Or this amazing thing:
@Susan - I have been meaning to try that for a long time actually yeah!
@Dalph™ - Did I tell you I read one of the comics for that recently? It really showed me how right they got the game.
@Scythuz: I can tell you that I was completely unprepared when I started reading that series. XD
@Dalph™: That game is amazing.
@Dalph™ Uh, uh, I know! The story from disney almost follows the orginal story until she gets to land. Once there the Prince mistakes a neighboring princess to be the one that saved him from drowning and marries her. The the mermaid's sisters give her a knife and tells her that if she kills the prince she will turn back into a mermaid and can live out the rest of her 300 year old life there. But she can't bring her self to do it and commits suicide. usually when a merperson dies they just turn into foam, because they have no soul, but because she strives to get one, God gives her a soul and she is allowed into haven.
I did it teacher! Do I get a cookie? : P
*gives Uzuki a mermaid cookie*
That's a pretty foamy cookie!
@Uzuki: I thought she turned into foam anyway? One version even mentioned that she turned into a butterfly instead of foam. These were children's versions, by the way. How sad.
I had a book of Italian Folklore and Adventures which were very dark. One of which is the worn out dancing shoes. Princesses go to demons to dance every night- eventually to get violated and killed.
Basically royalty would die all over the place is horrible ways and suffer. Which apparently made common people feel better.
@Susan Depends on what version you're reading. This is before copyright protection and such so the story has been passed around and changed for over a hundred years before Disney made their definative version.The original story was about wind children having to do good deeds to earn their souls. But Anderson got a lot of flack for that one and changed it to the little mermaid.
The earliest rendition of Red Riding Hood tale was likely the Story of the Grandmother (where both Grimm and Perrault likely got the tale from or from something akin to it since if it's oral tradition, it gets passed down verbally instead of recorded) where the main character tricked the Wolf into allowing her to escape and made her way home.
Charles Perrault I believe (trying to remember the class I took on fairy tales in college) likely wrote his in satire to show the stupidity of a very attractive young woman trusting a stranger. Hence why she dies in his tale.
If you think The Little Mermaid is dark and creepy compared to the Disney version, best stay well clear of The Hunchback of Notre Dame.
That was written by the same guy who made Les Misérables, only it's a bit darker and sadder. Just sayin'.
So many game ideas, so little time...
Also this link for Red Riding Hood: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/14/red-riding-hood-math_n_4275490.html ! Basic summary is Perrault and a Chinese poet, Huang Zhing, basically wrote their Red Riding Hood versions at the same time which indicates both came from an older version from oral tradition.
I'll be quiet now. I just get really really excited about folktales and their origins.
.... That would be an awesome event theme....
And poor Harold has to be the "Prince Charming" and save all heroines and make sure the fairy tales turn happy.
Children's stories used to be dark because bubble-wrapping children from the horrors of reality is a pretty recent thing. These stories were often life lessons. Like "don't wander off on your own - you look tasty to a lot of mean creatures."
As far as the little mermaid goes, one that I read went that the mermaid went to the sea witch to be made human, but she ended up having a maid's job on the prince's ship while he married another. The mermaid's sisters went to the sea witch, sacrificing their hair (I can't recall why long hair for mermaids was important...) to obtain an enchanted knife. She was to plunge the knife into the prince's heart as he slept, and when his blood washed over her feet, she would be turned back into a mermaid. However, she couldn't do it, and threw away the knife and threw herself to the sea, becoming the foam we see wash up on beaches now.
A lot of people seem to miss that the story of Little Red Riding Hood was a euphemism. Of course she wouldn't get away at the end, that is the entire point of that type of story. As for Little Mermaid, I was under the impression that turning into foam was actually the reward for not being selfish with the prince, since she gained a soul and mermaids didn't have souls. I don't think of Fairy Tales as darker, just that we've lost the point of a lot of these stories so the events have different meanings than they do now.
Fairy Tales, however, weren't meant for just children. They were stories.
@Sharm - There's a game I own on steam called The Path which covers the euphenism part quite well, it goes more into treating the wolves like inner demons, conflicts and vices though
101 Lessons on Fairy Tales & Fables.
@Susan Aww now I want some popcorn
All I want to say here is:
Poor slimmm...she has to read all this now.
There won't be ANY popcorn left by the time she does either! >
Only because a certain village plundering, popcorn addicted dragon ate them all.
Well, while we are on this topic, Aladdin was originally from china
@Scythuz: In which fairy tale did this particular dragon appear in?
Yarp, it was! Weird part? I learned this from a classic Doctor Who arc that was reconstructed from the audio and some pictures and stills from the remaining video.
@Susan - The one where all the evil popcorn in the land was eaten by the noble, handsome dragon!
Ooh! I was trying to remember something, there it was... It also outlined the source of the word assassin... Hash-ashim, or something to that effect (it was audio only, these words were not spelled anything); people that were left addicted to hash to the point of being willing to do anything for more. A terrifying group under Aladdin's control (yes, he is the bad guy).
@Sharm I didn't want to point out that LRRH is considered by most people to be a cautionary tell for young girls to not travel alone or otherwise you risk assault by creepy dudes in the woods. As for the mermaid, it's been awhile since I read the original story, when merpeople die they just turn to foam. No big exit, No horns or flashes of light, just plain ol' seafoam. When the mermaid of the story dies she turns to foam, but she gained a soul and was allowed into heaven.
@taarna23 - I think it was spelt Hasashin when I was 'lucky' enough to encounter them on Crusader Kings 2?
@Scythuz Could be! I haven't a clue, but it was an interesting bit of history I'd never known.
It's not like the original versions of these stories should be the definitive ones though. And not all of them are darker in the older versions. For example, in the original tale of Beauty and the Beast, the Beast was actually a really nice guy, but the sorceress who changed him had done it out of spite when he'd refused to marry her.
@Sharm Well, to be fair, I think even in the Disney-ified version, the beast became crabby and bitter out of years of isolation and mistreatment. Can't say as how I blame him for that.
(Oh my God all these notifications o.o)
@Dalph™ Yes, I did know. I'm pretty confident I know all the original stories. *looks at her collection of Grimm and HCA books* Also, my LRRH game has two "canon" endings if you get what I mean
@Iliketea It's Rapunzel's prince actually. Rapunzel herself gets released from the tower when she's pregnant with the prince's twins. She finds the blind prince wandering around and heals his eyes with her tears. (Or at least this is what happened in the version I read )
@Uzuki Yep, you're completely right. I read somewhere that HCA added the part where she goes to heaven after the story was already published, so it originally ended with her being foam.
@BananaThug I find the Grimm fairytales don't have that. It's mostly evil people who die horrible deaths.
@Ronove I heard somewhere one of the earliest renditions of LRRH is a Belgian tale. No idea if that's correct, but as a Belgian I kinda like to think so :3
@Sharm @taarna23Well in the Disney version he is described as "spoiled, selfish and unkind". Him turning into a beast definitely turned him more bitter and crabby though and yeah who wouldn't?
@mlogan You and me both, sister
Also, I'm all for a fairytale event! *wink wink* @Ralph
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