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most of the times, when you have 64bit version, you can also install the 32bit software
what most are, not every software has 32bit and 64bit,

the reason 64bit version also have the program files(x86) folder is because you can install
the 32bit version is well.

some have 32bit and 64bit of a software, sometimes the 32bit runs better than the 64bit,
other times, vice versa.

64bit is always good to have, and 32bit software can run mostly smoother as well :)
 

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@ShadowDragon Thanks for the info! So if a software has separate downloads of 32-bit and 64-bit versions, it's OK if one doesn't download the 64-bit version for their 64-bit PC?

By the way, I was wondering what you might think of this link: https://www.youwindowsworld.com/en/...ems/windows/windows-xp-professional-64-bit-en (No guarantee about its safety, so download with caution.)

And just in case this helps anyone, a friend just said:

Sadly, you cannot "update" an OS from x32 to x64. They are completely different systems and need fresh installs. This means you have to wipe the current computer and start from scratch which, you might want to reconsider if you are scared to do it by yourself.

And you need a copy of the x64 XP first anyway.
I just typed dxdiag into Run..., and thought I share a screen shot. See kiyasu_dxdiag.jpg below. Is there any way to tell whether this is 32-bit through the details here? I was wondering whether the "Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600)" part might be able to tell you something whether it is 32-bit or 64-bit.

Thanks for your time!!
 

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download seems save, but the screen you show below is DirectX, which you
cannot tell if it's 3bit or 64 bit.

right click this pc or this computer -> proterties -> type of system: xx bit
xx being 32 or 64bit.
 

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right click this pc or this computer -> proterties -> type of system: xx bit
xx being 32 or 64bit.
I'm still not sure what you mean by "this PC" except for the "My Computer" thing, and it doesn't show my the type of system. What exactly do you mean by "this PC"? Below is a screen shot of what I see. Please check kiyasu_my_computer.jpg for details. Is this the "this PC" you are talking about?
 

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you have the correct screen, but it seems that the type exacly isn't shown,
I think the older version just have 32bit versions, unless stated otherwise.

I used to use XP in my time, but you had 32bit only, so I asume it's the 32bit version.
to make sure of it, go to C drive -> and check for program files.

if there is program files AND program files(x86) you have 64bit version, else 32bit.
 

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@ShadowDragon OK, thanks for confirming! Both this computer and my Intel Atom Netbook (Windows XP) is 32-bit, but my Intel Atom Netbook could activate VX Ace. I bought it used (came with Trojan and Worm stuff... hmmm....) and you can tell from the desktop screen shot that it's using a later version of Internet Explorer, hence probably have TLS 1.2. That's probably why I could activate VX Ace on it. So it looks like I still have hope to upgrade my Internet Explorer version, but I can't seem to figure out how to do that! I probably just need to figure out how to get IE into a later version...
 

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the difference between 32 bit and 64 bit is that 64 bit runs faster,
not really, that is only a secondary effect and not even automatic and everywhere.

the main difference is the adress range.
32 bit system use an adress range of 32 bit, and in a 64 bit system you have an adress range of 64 bit size.
64 bit adresses are larger, and that even slows the code down a bit. But it also means that the RAM can be larger.
Like each house on a road needs a number to be identified, each RAM cell also needs a number as an adress. And 32 bit can adress up to 4 GB RAM - it is physically impossible to adress more than 4 GB RAM on a 32 bit windows. And because the display card needs some adresses for its own use, an 32-bit-WinXP will have its RAM at less than 4096 MB even if 4 GB are physically installed in the slots.

And the ability to use more than 4GB, that is one of the things that speeds up 64bit systems.
But if a program needs more than 4GB, it can no longer run on a 32bit system...
 

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@Andar Really appreciate this! I was wondering whether that "runs faster" description being a bit odd and "different" from what my friend described 32-bit and 64-bit as, so it feels good to hear from you like this. In fact let me dig out my friend's description of this (which I think I am finally understanding more of). I hope it is accurate, so I want to post it just in case:

32 bit vs 64 bit refers to the memory capacity of the system. The 32 bit system can utilize up to 2 to the 32nd power memory units, which add up to around 4GB. As a 32bit system, this means that windows XP cannot utilize more than 4GB of RAM. You can put 16GB RAM in your motherboard, but it will only use 4. The 64 bit system, in the same logic, can utilize up to 2 to the 64th power of memory units. As you might imagine, that is a **** ton more.
And after a question of "About 32-bit and 64-bit, why is there 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the same software then? Like why can't I intall 32-bit version into a 64-bit PC??? That doesn't make sense T_T," this was his reply:

For 32 bit vs 64 bit, I'm guessing the way they trim down the need for more "bits" in the 32 bit version involves coding that is right in the middle of program. They probably do a lot of things differently that are more "background" without being seen by the user. Not sure why backward compatibility isn't available, but the need for different versions is quite understandable.

I'm guessing your software has updated their capabilities beyond what 32 bit system can give them. In simple terms, 32 bit system leaves you about 3.2G after windows XP background usage, but if your software needs 6GB to even start, of course it's not going to.
As for the Internet Explorer versions of this laptop and the other XP one, judging from the logos alone, here are what they are:

This laptop: Internet Explorer 6
The 32-bit Windows XP Netbook that can successfully activate VX Ace: either Internet Explorer 7 or Internet Explorer 8

So I probably only need to figure out how to upgrade from IE6 to either IE7 or IE8 to solve the activation issue...

Thanks again for all the help!!
 

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Like why can't I intall 32-bit version into a 64-bit PC?
but you can, and people have been doing it for years because AMD had 64bit processors long before windows was capable of using those features.

The problem is again the adress. Higher adresses need more numbers to store them.
A 32 bit adress written in hexcode would be FFFFFFFF.
A 64 bit adress written in hexcode would be FFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

If you program an operating system like Windows, you need to store the adress to tell the programs where to jump to. A 64 bit system can store 32 bit adresses without problem. But if there is no space reserved for double the numbers, then you cannot store an adress of 64 bit into a 32 bit adress space.

Same goes with the hardware, a processor capable of running 64 bit software has no problem running a 32 bit operating system. But if the processor is 32 bit only, nothing will ever enable it to run 64 bit code adresses.
 

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@Andar Thank you once again for your explanation. It is helping me understand it more! Also, I just found this page about TLS 1.2 and would like to know your thoughts: https://www.emailarchitect.net/easendmail/sdk/html/object_tls12.htm

I also found an IE7 download that almost seemed like it would work (at least it would actually run the installer) at https://en.softonic.com/download/internet-explorer-7/windows/post-download/v/7 (<- no guarantees about the safety of this download, so please proceed with caution), and the installer would run fine except until the end I always get the same result below in kiyasu_ie7_result.jpg below, even after restarting.

[EDIT! GOOD NEWS!] @Andar @ShadowDragon I just downloaded Internet Explorer 8 (IE8-WindowsXP-x86-ENU.exe) at https://www.manageengine.com/produc...ent_install_Internet-Explorer-8---32-bit.html (<-- again, no guarantees about the safety of this link or download, so please proceed with caution), and it successfully installed!! While this didn't fix the TLS 1.2 issue, it DID something miracle enough for me: the VX Ace activation window changed, and now one can finally see a "Offline Manual Unlock" option at the bottom left of the screen. Previously with Internet Explorer 6, the bottom is cut off... even when I try to stretch out the window (the cut-off parts would just be black background if you stretch or widen the window).

New screen shots attached: kiyasu_offline_manual_unlock_01.jpg and kiyasu_offline_manual_unlock_02.jpg.

So, this means the case is most likely "solved"!!! Now I am just waiting for Technical Support to give me the Unlock Code. However, it would still help if @Andar can provide some thoughts on the TLS 1.2 stuff above just in case, especially now that I have IE8 successfully installed.

Soooooo happy now!!!! And very grateful I had help along the way!!! Thank you so, so much again for everyone who tried to help me! This feels like a great journey, once a problem is solved, once a beautiful simple solution unexpectedly comes to light. :')

Kind regards,
Kiyasu
 

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