Am I allowed to use FES assets in MV?

Can I Use FES assets in my MV games? (Paid for FES and some DLC)


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Didn't know where to post this thread, but I was wondering because I bought RPG Maker FES for the 3DS and some of it's DLC. I really like the art style and would like to use it in my MV projects since I can do more with them. But I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do that. Someone please help me with this, it would make my day. :)
 

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No.
You would need to rip the assets from the game to use them, and this is illegal.
 

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Aw, alright. Thank you for telling me!
Do you think it would be alright if I made similar character sets using the same kind of base, or no?
 

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The character sets are DS sets, so you can already make them as long as you own the DS graphics pack.
 

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As long as it's details are different from the original, you'll be okay.
I mean when people see your characters, they would think they looked like those of that game, but don't let them have the feeling that you totally took them from that game and changed little only. If you know what I mean:kaophew:
 

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Alright, thank you so much guys! I guess I'll have to work on my pixel art! :)
 

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I think "illegal" is a bit of an overstatement.

One of the things that defines Fair Use is "transformative work". Basically, have you created something new out of the original graphic? Modifying a spritesheet to adhere to MV's templates, for instance, may be considered transformative.

Also, you can't use ripped graphics for commercial purposes. Got a *******? That counts as commercial.

However, Fair Use is largely decided on a case-by-case basis, and precedents for what is and isn't allowed are few and far between.

I'd err on the side of caution and advise that you don't rip graphics, but to say that it's flat-out illegal simply isn't true. Otherwise sites like The Cutting Room Floor and The Spriter's Resource would've been shut down years ago.

Not to mention all those Rm2k sites that had Chrono Trigger and Suikoden graphics, and who hosted games that used said graphics.

It'd be more accurate to call it a legal grey area. You might get shut down even WITH Fair Use on your side, or you might not.
 

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@kwanzaabot
no, illegal is NOT an overstatement.

Fair use has a lot of restrictions that are often ignored by those who claim it - especially when it comes to using other people artwork those restrictions are extreme. For example you are restricted in the reason why you use something, and "game making" is NOT one of those reasons.
The ONLY reason that is allowed by fair use and that might apply to game making is the "Parody", which means the game has to be a targeted parody of the source for the resource you're using. Using a resource in a game that is not a parody of the source of the resource cannot claim fair use under any case - and "transformative work" is also something specific that you cannot use in this context.
You could use your explanation ("transformative work fair use") to use the modified sprite in a tutorial telling people how to transform graohics into valid sprites (that would also count as the "educational" requirement of fair use), but you CANNOT use the resulting sprite in a game, because that would no longer fit the reason behind that part of fair use.

And never forget that fair use is a defense, not a right, from a legal viewpoint. Which means you can claim that after you already have been sued and had to pay for your lawyers. Of course you can get that money back after you have won - but winning isn't always sure, especially if you fall prey to some of the more idiotic misconceptions about fair use laws. And it doesn't change that you often have to put the money up front to pay your lawyer before he can get you that defense.


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and yes, ripping is always illegal - the reason why people get away with so many fangames of ripped resources is that the IP laws are civil laws, not criminal laws.

Which means as a result that only the IP-Holder (no one else) can initiate the lawsuit and legal processes. And to do that the IP-Holder needs to know of a copyright infringment to sue in the first place - most of the mentioned games are too obscure to be known in Japan, because you have to hunt for them.
And second, same as above for the defense - the IP holder needs to pay his lawyers for starting the process as well, which would be lost money if the kiddy who made the illegal game doesn't have the money to pay the fines.
They still go after ripped games in those cases where they become widely known however, because not going against a commonly known copyright infringment will void their copyright in most countries - but they don't throw away money for every minor infringment around.

But an unknown game using ripped resources is still illegal and the IP holder can go against it whenever he chooses (or when the game becomes known to him)
 
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So basically, I should create my own assets without copying the FES ones. Okay, just gotta practice making less stiff looking characters. Anybody got some tips about pixel art? XD

Edit: So if I buy the DS resource pack, am I allowed to use them in MV since its optimized for VX Ace?
 

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any resource purchased from this websites shop can used in any RPG Maker you purchased as well, but if it is not formatted for it you're responsible to reformat it yourself before use.
 

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