- Jan 30, 2021
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Your story reminds me of all the "Alexa definitely listens in on you" stuff, which I think is something people need to address more tbh, given how many """coincidences""" seem to happen with what is advertised to them vs what they were talking about prior.privacy is not lacking.
it's just the people bypassing it intentionally, unwillingly, accidentally, or outright unknowingly.
that, on one hand.
and on the other, people dealing and trading with the products being advertised to them, even if unknowingly, effectively catering to that practice of tailored advertisement.
But I'm not sure how it contradicts the way I described it? Our privacy being breached knowingly, unknowingly...it is still a lack of privacy, isn't it? Eh, semantics.
In regards to me reading a little too much into this particular statement, fair enough. That's fully on me for jumping the gun. But I'm still confused on what your point is here; if in your eyes it's hypocritical to argue in favor of anonymity when in the same vein one gives up said privacy, what is it you want them to do?First let me clarify since I might have expresed myself wrong, I'm not saying that you can't criticize something because you consume it, I think that consuming something is important to build up an opinion and have bases to build a critique (see I would make an awful critique if I criticize a movie without having even seeing it). What I'm arguing is the FACT that when it comes to taking action, people often (for a lot of various reasons, most of them very valid, as work reasons you mention), end up willingly giving up part of their privacy and anonymity away, and that reason makes these people (in which I myself I'm included) hypocrisy when trying to argue that they want anonymity and privacy on the internet.
True. There are scores of people that use social media for fun, but I don't think it gives you or me license to guilt them for being compliant, on the grounds of them just using the platform at all.I partially disagree. Sure, companies abuse their influence and power, and I agree with you up to this point, however there are things that fall outside and inside our influence and what we can and can't do as an individual. We ourselves, individually, can't change twitter, discord, and other media policies, but we can decide what to use and what not.
I agree there is people who have to use certain platforms for work reasons, but I think you will agree with me there is even more people that decide to make use of these for personal reasons, and that is their choice as individuals, as such, the acceptance of the terms of service of the platform and apps is their responsibility.
Also true that we can't change these corporate giants individually, which is why I said what I did; when people ban together and demand change, things happen. And from what's happened in history, they have.
If you want to argue that people should instead boycott these platforms, I wouldn't be against it. But it's not something that will come easy, and it's not automatically equivalent to being lazy or wanting convenience.
At least we agree on that first bit, haha. Which was kinda my point coming into it, but you ended up saying it.Before I was talking as individuals, now as collectives. Almost every system that has been ever changed in history, was changed by people that were taking part in that system (see slavery, for example), as such.
As collectives, we must, and should support whatever is in our interests, however, this doesn't mean we don't have to recognize ourselves first individually, it's easy to blame the government and companies for not protecting your internet identity while scrolling down to accept on every installer and clicking accept on every cookie popup.
But I should clarify myself a bit; I'm definitely not saying to completely take away any and all agency from the individual. Just that it's not always up to the individual to begin with, so criticizing their choices regarding subjects like this will be a grey area at best.
People in support of abusive practices and even actively talk down criticism are a very different vein from the angle I was coming in from. Of course such people should be called out as hypocrites, but that's not the impression I got when I read your statements. I also left it out because it seemed like a given, but anyway.Well, I would gladly love to receive any information pointing to the opposite, and I would also love to be wrong, but sadly you just have to see and how many people use these platforms, and how many of these users, which in some way or another have their privacy and personal data compromised by companies are actively supporting internet privacy movements. However, this is beyond the point.
What I was meaning is that if you ask people about if they support internet privacy I think we can all agree that there is a consensus that people would be in support of it, however when it comes to it there is a surprisingly low amount (tho I would admit there is a bit more awareness since a few years ago to now) of people that actually take their time to keep control of their online footprint, read their ToS, and check the permissions they are giving to certain apps and websites.
At the end of the day you can (making use of the expression of the wise ones) ""b*tch and wait until you receive" but in the meanwhile it is our responsibility to do our part, and b*tching without doing it while waiting is just being hypocritical about it.
If your argument is that there's plenty of opportunity for people to take action in general but they don't or choose not to, or even worse, make dangerous mistakes by giving personal information online, that much I can agree to be very annoying and concerning. But my initial argument still stands, albeit it may have been very poorly worded the first time; while there are things we as individuals can do to keep ourselves safe, it should not be the end all solution to this problem. I think as humans, as a society, we can do better than that. We could strive for an internet where this doesn't need to happen.
I mean, there's lots of things in life I don't think need to be a part of life at all. And I complain about them. There may not be very much I can do about it, and I lament about it being beyond my control, ultimately; but I like to think that my "b*tching" isn't entirely useless, or hypocritical. Talking about things brings awareness to them. Eventually, it will reach the ears of someone that can do something, and hopefully, will do something.