Any Kingdom Hearts fans around here? :P

[Silent Darkness]

Outside Squall and a handfull of Disney characters, can you name any plot important one?

How Kingdom Hearts tends to work (what I've played of it, at least) is that the Disney worlds are treated as filler. Very little in what you do in them affects the plot very little. The plot mostly moves forward at the end or between each worlds and mostly just involves characters that aren't even Disney or Final Fantasy. In fact, outside of Heartless none of the lore KH creates isn't even implied to Disney or FF characters. Why can't we see a nobody form of one of them? How come none of them has ever been a major villain outside of Maleficent? How come outside of Mickey we don't even see a keyblade wielder? That's because all those plot elements are given to the original characters, making the original characters (for the most part) the only ones that can drive the story forward.

Take Chain of Memories for being extremely guilty for this, outside of Donald and Goofy all the Disney characters are just poorly done abridged flashbacks and have absolutely nothing to do with the overarching plot.

In the case of Chain of Memories, this was deliberate. I hear you tho. Which is why, in any KH RP I do, I intend to give the Disney characters more agency : P

 

[captainproton]

How about this: Mickey, donald, Goofy and all of those big-shoed kids are *dundundunnnn* missing! Time to organize a rescue squad: The Mighty Hercules! Super-sniper Robin Hood! Space Pirate Stitch! Finally Fantastic Terra! And Queen Minnie Who Was Secretly A Badass But Never Bragged Cuz She's A Classy Gal!

 

[KanaX]

I was a HUGE fan of Kingdom Hearts (the first one) way back when it first came out. It was my favourite game for a while, and it was also one of my first RPGs. I remember eagerly awaiting the second one, and all the theories about who Roxas was (who was going under the name Blond Hair Kid or BHK on forums). When KH2 finally came out, I bought it on release day, played the heck out of it... but only ever played through it once (while I must have played through the first one like 5 times).

KH2 was a good game, but for me, it was a step back from KH1 for several reasons:

• There was hardly any exploration compared to KH1's worlds.
• Party members did negligible damage compared to KH1's party members.
• Bosses can only be defeated by finishers (WTF, I HATED this mechanic. When a Keyblade that REDUCES your max combo turns out to be the best keyblade choice against Sephiroth, you have to question things)
• I hate features in any game where you FUSE with team mates. No. I actually really enjoy seeing my party members do useful things all on their own, and merging with them is a feature I will avoid as much as possible.
• In terms of Story, I liked the idea of there being 13 villains as part of an organization, but they hardly interacted with each other throughout the game, and you defeat them all in the course of one game. It felt extremely underwhelming. I feel like they could have done so much more with these characters.
• I personally did not like KH2's MP system as much as KH1's system, although since it's been years since I played either game, I could not properly explain KH2's MP system at this moment.
• No more Billy Zane for Ansem and no more David Boreanaz for Squall.  I love Richard Epcar as Ziggy in Xenosaga, but he just sounded so dull as Ansem / Xehanort.

There might be more points that I'm missing, but I played through KH2 once, and it was pretty much within a week of its release so I don't have the sharpest memories of the game. One thing that KH2 did have that trumped KH1 was its awesome arena fight against Cloud, Squall, Yuffie, and Tifa. Adding Tifa to the fight was really fun.

So... I was still hungry for more KH, really wanting to see what they'd do with KH3, but they just refused to announce the game for several years going forward. Instead, we were thrown all these side-games on varying systems, (I hope, aside from having a PS2, that you also have a GBA, DS, a 3DS, and a PSP if you wish to play them all...). I tried and couldn't finish 358/2 Days. It was just sooooo boring to play. I hardly ever quit playing games part way through but this game just really didn't grab my attention in any way, shape, or form. I did not have a PSP, and therefore could never try Birth by Sleep. Thankfully, I have the KH2.5 HD Remix, and so I will finally be able to try that one out.

KH3's announcement was thrilling for me, but they've released almost no additional information on the game since then. This game should have come out at least five years ago, in my opinion.

 I think we grew older when KH2 was out.

 

[Silent Darkness]

How about this: Mickey, donald, Goofy and all of those big-shoed kids are *dundundunnnn* missing! Time to organize a rescue squad: The Mighty Hercules! Super-sniper Robin Hood! Space Pirate Stitch! Finally Fantastic Terra! And Queen Minnie Who Was Secretly A Badass But Never Bragged Cuz She's A Classy Gal!

I......er.....i'm sorry, but I just can't take your suggestion seriously. Maybe it was the way you presented it.

 

[captainproton]

Well, it wasn't serious. But I do think it would be interesting to see characters from the disneyverse translated into RPG characters

 

[Silent Darkness]

I suppose. The more I play Birth by Sleep tho, the less I want to play it.

 

[captainproton]

Does BBS use the Disneys as PCs? I thought it focused on the KH originals like Aqua.

 

[Silent Darkness]

Does BBS use the Disneys as PCs? I thought it focused on the KH originals like Aqua.

It's not the storyline that's making me gag. Yet another convoluted combat system. Better than Chain of Memories, but only slightly better.

 

[Foron]

It's not the storyline that's making me gag. Yet another convoluted combat system. Better than Chain of Memories, but only slightly better.

What's wrong with BBS's battle system? Looks normal.

 

[Silent Darkness]

What's wrong with BBS's battle system? Looks normal.

Booooo command deck

boo playing monopoly to get new commands(Don't get me wrong, I love monopoly, but not in mah KH game)

Booooo @ the command melding

Boooo

Booooooooooooooooo

 

[Foron]

Booooo command deck

boo playing monopoly to get new commands(Don't get me wrong, I love monopoly, but not in mah KH game)

Booooo @ the command melding

Boooo

Booooooooooooooooo

Might be my 358/2 Days bias showing, but I never minded all of that (in fact, don't you do similar things getting ultima weapons in KH 1 & 2)? OT be fair, I never played that board game-thing.

 

[Zentsuki]

I played KH1, KH2, KH:Chain of Memories and KH:Birth by sleep. While I'm not a huge fan of disney, I'm loving the SquareEnix characters and the combat. I don't know why, but everything in those games feel like I'm in some sort of dream. Favorite was BBS.

I think I need to play some more Final Fantasy.

 

[Silent Darkness]

Might be my 358/2 Days bias showing, but I never minded all of that (in fact, don't you do similar things getting ultima weapons in KH 1 & 2)? OT be fair, I never played that board game-thing.

At least you could figure out how to get Ultima on your own. At least they didn't involve a cloogy, cluttered Command Deck that simply grows more irritating as you find yourself with more commands to contend with.

Why must all these non-numerical KH games have aggravating combat systems....

I played KH1, KH2, KH:Chain of Memories and KH:Birth by sleep. While I'm not a huge fan of disney, I'm loving the SquareEnix characters and the combat. I don't know why, but everything in those games feel like I'm in some sort of dream. Favorite was BBS.

I think I need to play some more Final Fantasy.

Favorite?.......oy......OY......

 

[captainproton]

Is BBS' command deck really that different? It didn't look that way in any of the Let's Plays I've seen. You have one button to cycle through a list of, what, six skills? Which you assign from a list in the menu. Then you have another button to use the selected skill. I know that's how DDD and R:C were. It's pretty simple.

 

[JAD94]

I gotta go with Kingdom Hearts 2

 love the Hades Cup in the underworld! Some fights are kinda challenging, others are just plain fun!

I hated the heartless boss in the Pirates of the carribean level though, the one that requires you to collect those orbs in order to beat it -.-

 

[Silent Darkness]

Is BBS' command deck really that different? It didn't look that way in any of the Let's Plays I've seen. You have one button to cycle through a list of, what, six skills? Which you assign from a list in the menu. Then you have another button to use the selected skill. I know that's how DDD and R:C were. It's pretty simple.

It has this in common: Having to multi-task during combat. Trying to avoid damage with one brain, and then setting up commands with the other brain I don't have. Neat idea. For me, it doesn't work so well in execution. This screwed with me in CoM, too.

 

[captainproton]

So you'd prefer something more turn-based, then?

I think this would be nice, as the gameplay on most of the KH games seems like Street Fighter button-mashing more than anything.

 

[Seacliff]

So you'd prefer something more turn-based, then?

I think this would be nice, as the gameplay on most of the KH games seems like Street Fighter button-mashing more than anything.

This would be pretty cool, allowing more strategy would get me into the series again.

I know I justed gripped on the original characters, but who here wants to see a pure Disney/Final Fantasy crossover with little to no original characters? I thought some of the best parts of Kingdom Hearts was when Disney Characters and FF characters talked to each other allowing us to see the chemistry between two very separate universes, but alas, that happens almost never. We only see FF characters appear in their own world and Hercules world.

Some people want Star Wars to appear in the next game, right? Imagine Cloud and Darth Vader dueling out. Or maybe Yuffie joins Captain Jack Sparrow and they pilfer towns together. Maybe Edgar or Ringabel gets so desperate in finding a date they start to hit on the Disney princesses? How about some FF villains wanting to get into conquering/destroying some Disney worlds? I just wish Kingdom Hearts was much more of what people told me it was... a crossover.

 

[captainproton]

Ringabel: Who is that stunning beauty with the glass shoes?

Edea: MRGRGRGRGRRR!!!!

Naveen *plays the ukulele*

Tellah: You spoony bard!

There really does need to be a better meshing of the two worlds. The Disneys and Finals are all relegated to background characters, when there's obviously such a wealth of potential for awesome stories. I get why the originals are the focus, but, yeah, I was hoping there'd be more interaction, more team-ups, with the Big Shoe Kids there to bridge the two worlds. Have Sora team up with Mulan and Rosa against Grimmhilda and Golbez, or something.

 

[Silent Darkness]

Ringabel: Who is that stunning beauty with the glass shoes?

Edea: MRGRGRGRGRRR!!!!

Naveen *plays the ukulele*

Tellah: You spoony bard!

There really does need to be a better meshing of the two worlds. The Disneys and Finals are all relegated to background characters, when there's obviously such a wealth of potential for awesome stories. I get why the originals are the focus, but, yeah, I was hoping there'd be more interaction, more team-ups, with the Big Shoe Kids there to bridge the two worlds. Have Sora team up with Mulan and Rosa against Grimmhilda and Golbez, or something.

KH1 ALMOST did this, it almost had Maleficent as the final villain.

Actually, i'd be up to do such a RP if any of you guys are interested.I don't have a central idea out QUITE yet, but i'm sure it wouldn't take long for me to crack one out. I'm definitely hearing what you guys are saying about Square Enix really just going off and doing their thing, rather than putting some attention on the Disney/FF characters for once.

(coughcoughdibsonExdeathcoughcough)