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Recently, with Jurassic World coming closer and closer to release, discovering their website dedicated to the park in the movie, and a general lack of interest in most daily activities. I have rediscovered my LOVE of the prehistoric world. Not just dinosaurs, but ALL of it.

And, now I...kind of want to just finish my current degree and begin working towards becoming a paleontologist, specifically focusing on paleoecology. But, I'm not sure how to go about telling my great-grandparents/family/friends/academic advisor that I want to go into this field.

Should I go  through with this, and work towards a field that I feel strongly about? Should I continue with my current plan, which involves going into an engineering field, and try paleontology as a hobby?

Any advice would be deeply appreciated!
 

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I see it as this, if you go into engineering, will you have fun? and enjoy your career? That's what it comes down to, How much you enjoy doing your job.
 

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I personally have wanted to be a paleontologist since I was 4 years old. Due to life, I have not been able to pursue that dream. Instead, I ended up almost settling on something that I would have been happy with, but it wasn't really what I wanted.

Almost.

What persuaded me to keep trying was the sheer amount of support I got from my friends and family. They wanted me to forge a career in something I was so passionate about. They wouldn't let me give it up, because they believed that my interest and my passion would make the job worth doing.

My only advice would be to go for it, and don't worry about how to tell your family and friends. When you find a career in your field, they will see that you're happy with your work. If it's something you're really interested in, you're more likely to do well in your schooling and your career as well.

Besides, the job market for paleo-anythings is skyrocketing right now :p
 

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Think of the degree you choose to complete as a set of skills and not a job. No matter what pursuits you make with education and career, you will have skills. Many are highly transferable, and others are highly sought for. If you are already working on an engineering degree or thinking about starting one, see how those skills may be sought for in paleontology. And luckily, almost everyone needs engineers.
 

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Think of the degree you choose to complete as a set of skills and not a job. No matter what pursuits you make with education and career, you will have skills. Many are highly transferable, and others are highly sought for. If you are already working on an engineering degree or thinking about starting one, see how those skills may be sought for in paleontology. And luckily, almost everyone needs engineers.
I can't agree with this more. If you are already working on a degree, stay the course. I've seen a lot of my friends switch out from engineering year 3 and 4 of school to pursue other majors. Most ended up dropping out. Almost all career fields today have use for some sort of engineering skill set. 
 
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I see it as this, if you go into engineering, will you have fun? and enjoy your career? That's what it comes down to, How much you enjoy doing your job.
That's cute but it's an unrealistic view of the circumstances in the current world.
 

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@Pine: I disagree wholeheartedly. You'll never be as good at something as someone who truly loves it, if you do not love it yourself. There's no chance. I say this with as much certainty I can from my life experience, and it's been proven true in every scenario and instance. I'm not saying it's a good idea to drop out of a study on a whim, for example, but follow your heart and work extra hard at what you love, and you'll be among the best in that field without a doubt.
 
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I understand your point of view. It's a romantic pipe dream and there's still people who is willing to live for it, even in dire circumstances. Happy doesn't pay bills.

There are few niches where one can afford to say "I'll do what I love" and have a good quality of life. It may be a little hypocritical of me to have this stance because I do something I love doing and it also pays the bills, which should be anyone's top priority (no money, no payments, no quality of life).

But I'll still recommend anyone to look into the niches within the job market that are productive and in need, rather than irresponsibly say "do what you love" and have that person end up in a ****ty second job because s/he can't find a gig as an actor/actress/whatever. 

In words "do what you love" sounds amazing and pretty. Realistically it's, more often than not, irresponsible, naive and difficult.
 
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Sadly, I have to agree with Pine and disagree with Galenmereth.  The reality for most people is such that if you can find a job, and if that job pays a living wage, and if that job is something that you are reasonably happy doing most of the time, then you are lucky.  For a lot of people finding a job which combines all 3 is tough.  To ratchet up the criteria and say "if you don't love your job, if you are not passionate about it, don't do it, do something else" is, for many people, especially those with families to support, an unaffordable luxury. 

Also sadly, "follow your heart and work extra hard at what you love" does not automatically lead to "you'll be the best in that field without a doubt." See the number of passionate but bad actors as an example.  That's an easy one to pick, but it holds true in most fields.  Passion and hard work will only take you so far without skills and/or talent.  

This does not mean that you shouldn't try and find the niche where you can use your skills in the way you want.  But I would strongly advise against dropping an engineering degree, especially as that is one which could well be sought after in paleontology.  Stick it out and then start looking to see how you can get into the field you want. 
 
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As a 30 year-old grizzled veteran (who is also an engineer), I'm going to have to advocate against this mindset. The real world is not as idealistic and forgiving as the younger folk make it out to be. You are extremely fortunate to be able to find a job/field that has a high demand, pays enough, and is stable. Engineering offers that: something must always be designed, built, and maintained. You will never be out of a job if you have adequate core competencies. To most people, engineering is difficult but not fun, and that's why engineers are so high in demand. Fun dream jobs (artists, actors, athletes, etc) are just so popular that everyone is underpaid (except the top .01%) and immediately replaceable. Paleontology is likely a dream job, and I'm going to highly suggest looking up how many jobs relating to this field actually exist. If it is fewer than 10,000 nationwide, you will likely not secure a job unless you are the best and have a large number of connections.
 
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In general I say do what you don't hate, what you're skilled at and can make a comfortable living doing.  Sometimes people are skilled at things because they're passionate about something, sometimes people are passionate and have no skills.  Sometimes they're really skilled at something that has no marketable value or requires a secondary skill to sell it that they're abysmal at.  Avoid at all costs the passion of the moment.  This could very easily be similar to the mindset that makes people abandon half finished games to start a new one.  School is hard, even if you're going for a degree in something you adore.

In specifics I'd say we just don't have enough information.  There's just far too many variables, and the right choice is going to depend very much on what is best for you, not what's best in general.  Ask yourself some questions:  How much time do you have left in your current degree?  How much time would it take to get a new one?  What's the job market like for both of the possible career choices?  What about the pay rate?  Would you have to move to do either of those jobs?  What's the cost of living like in the places you'd need to live?  If you've got loans, how much longer will it take to pay off your loans if you switch?  Will you be able to afford living costs and your student loans?

I'm going to talk about this problem in relationship to writing fiction books because it's something I have some knowledge in (unlike either of your potential careers).  Choosing between a career that pays the bills and the career that the person loves is a very common problem for writers because writing books very rarely pays the bills.  I know a lot of writers so I've seen the full spectrum.  Some of them say that quitting their day job was the best thing they ever did, and others swear that they would never have made it as an author if they had.  Some were very successful once but now struggle to make ends meet.  Some are comfortable now but struggled at the beginning when they didn't need to.  All of these people are extremely passionate about writing, you just don't become a writer unless you are, it's not worth it.  From what I can tell there were a few things that made a difference in success.  Skills in writing, skills in sales, skills in working hard.  I cannot stress the last one enough, being able to actually work hard at something is key.  This isn't just a simple try harder, it means finding better ways to do things, looking for people to teach you, being willing to do something awful or humiliating in order to get what you need to do better, and putting in the necessary hours.

I'm a firm believer that you can gain success in anything if you work hard enough for long enough.  However, sometimes the time required makes it not worth it, or at least not worth dropping everything for.  After all, you have to find a way to live in that in between.
 

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Edit: Sharm made a great post while I was writing this. It seems like kind of in contrast to mine, but keep in mind that I agree with what she's saying when you read mine :)

I'm not saying "drop your studies and do whatever you feel like." What I'm saying is that if you truly want to do something with all your heart, do it.

I'm 29 and that's what I've done. I studied what I felt strongly for, and changed my mind thrice. First I really wanted to be an architect, so I studied technical drawing (the precursor study) and CAD. While doing that I was programming in my spare time and loved making these really artsy web things, so I figured I wanted to be a web designer. So after I finished technical drawing, I changed course and studied graphic design for two years. Whilst there I continued improving my programming on the side while learning a ton about visual design, both physical and digital. I really thought that being a graphic designer was the thing for me. When I was done with my studies, I got headhunted by a big ad company. I realized that this wasn't the world I wanted to be in; I made more money than I'd ever done in my life, but I wasn't happy. So I decided to take the plunge and start my own stock company together with a friend, with our own set of ideals. My employer offered to double my pay, they really wanted to keep me. I said no thank you. Long story short, it ruined me financially in the end and my health was completely destroyed after way too much overwork. Running a small company was a 24/7 job that just sucked me dry of everything. But all of the skills I've acquired during that and my studies have become relevant in game development. Every single one of them, even plumbing (which was one of the classes accompanying technical drawing).

Fast forward and I have clients that I love working with now with workloads that let me perform my absolute best, I'm working on a commercial game that I have a publisher for, and I'm truly happy with my life. Because here's the thing; your job isn't just something you do on the side: it's most of your life. You spend most of your time awake, and most of your energy, on your job. If that job doesn't make you happy, that's not good. Your job is your life, whether you like that or not. I realize this might offend someone (that has happened before), but please think of why that is if so. I know circumstance comes into play. Things like family and partners and children and all of that can narrow down your choices for you. Still, as long as you have the opportunity, pursue your dreams. You have one life to live; live it.

I've decided that having a family wasn't as important to me compared to my career, so I've sacrificed that to get to where I am. That's a choice I'm sure not everyone will want to make, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'm probably the crazy one, all things considered. Everything involves sacrifices; figure out which you can and are willing to make, and pursue something that makes you happy. Do meditate on your dreams, give them time to form before you make the tough decisions in your life.

That's my advice. It's subjective and it's worked for me, so you should take it with a tablespoon of salt. But if I could go back and do everything all over again, I wouldn't change one damn thing.
 
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I say this from experience, I'm 21, I loved building computer programs since I was 15 me and a friend even started up a yugioh simulator, that's when I decided I wanted to do that as a careers. It's not all was about the "green". Young people aspire to be an Athlete, a singer, etc. If you truly love paleontology, pursue your desire. You have already started in another field, FINISH that off, then get a stable career/job, study paleontology, Try to get an internship, do volunteer work. You may not have get paid for what you do but you'll be having fun AND makinga  living.
 

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So, long story short you're telling me that droppping carreers on impulse is NOT a good thing? Oh wow, we must warn mankind!

Seriously, how is it you consider your life experience a good advice? And I mean this as positively as I can. You were insecure, undecisive, screwed up your life and after the what? 4th try at something you now discover you love it and that's what you should do? Sounds to me that you were not mature enough until now.

Hear Sharm, KSJP and me out dude. If you make impulsive decisions with your carreer, the job market is going to chew you up and spit you out. If you really, really think this carreer shift is in the right direction, make sure you at least have financial stability and experience and start doing it on the side.

Money doesn't make happiness nor buys it. But when have you seen someone on a financial disaster that is actually happy? Yeah, didn't think so.
 

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So, long story short you're telling me that droppping carreers on impulse is NOT a good thing? Oh wow, we must warn mankind!

Seriously, how is it you consider your life experience a good advice? And I mean this as positively as I can. You were insecure, undecisive, screwed up your life and after the what? 4th try at something you now discover you love it and that's what you should do? Sounds to me that you were not mature enough until now.
How many successful entrepreneurs do you know that made it on the first try? I'm not saying I'm the top crop here, but rather that failure at something you've never done before isn't the worst that can happen. The worst is not learning anything from it. I learned communication, negotiation, client relationships, meetings with all kinds of people from all kinds of companies and corporations.  Opportunities you don't get unless you're willing to put something on the line. Just as importantly, I learned what my body can take and what it can't. Speaking to many of the CEO's and leaders I've worked with, they've told me of similar tales; learning their limits the hard way. Because none of us are psychic. It's not that I was insecure, nor indecisive; I just didn't know exactly what it was I wanted to do for the majority of my time before trying it. How could I? If you want to avoid risk at all costs, fine. But it does limit your future prospects.

I consider my life experience decent advice because I am happy and I'm making a living doing what makes me happy. How can you consider that not decent? I wouldn't listen to it alone, though. I'd listen to everyone here; you, me, and the rest. Then find the way that fits me.
 
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I've always been the type of person that I don't really want my job to define me. I work in marketing. I NEVER expected to work in marketing until this job came along. And I love my job, but its more because of the products I work with, the people I work with, than the work itself.

My job is a job. And I take it seriously, but it isn't ME.

Find the job that pays well, that has a lot of openings, and that you won't HATE. Even if you are meh on your job, if you can do it 40 hours a week and go home and do what you love, you are in good shape. Just don't go into a field you will HATE.

Now, I don't know much about the paleontology field. Maybe it is doing well, I'm not sure. But that should be a consideration.

I mean, I want to design board games, but that is a good way to turn a large fortune into a small one. I still work on it, in my own time, for fun, but if I tried to just go for my dreams and screw everything else... I would probably be homeless.

 But what do I know, I'm just one dude. Some people define themselves by their jobs, but that just isn't me. So maybe my advice isn't applicable.
 
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I wouldn't say I define myself by my job, but when it's something I do at least 50% of the time I'm awake, it's still very much central to my life. But I am aware people see it differently :)
 

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I understand your point of view. It's a romantic pipe dream and there's still people who is willing to live for it, even in dire circumstances. Happy doesn't pay bills.

There are few niches where one can afford to say "I'll do what I love" and have a good quality of life. It may be a little hypocritical of me to have this stance because I do something I love doing and it also pays the bills, which should be anyone's top priority (no money, no payments, no quality of life).

But I'll still recommend anyone to look into the niches within the job market that are productive and in need, rather than irresponsibly say "do what you love" and have that person end up in a ****ty second job because s/he can't find a gig as an actor/actress/whatever. 

In words "do what you love" sounds amazing and pretty. Realistically it's, more often than not, irresponsible, naive and difficult.
I'm happy with a job I love and pays my bills. I don't regret dropping my current course at all to pursue a related degree instead - and that move will only serve to enhance the job opportunities I already have.

Ideally, there is a balance to be struck, but the best way to go about it is to find opportunities that you'll enjoy. If there's something that pays really well but is a bad job... let's say abattoir worker as an extreme. I have no idea what they actually do, but I'd be mentally disturbed if I had to do it. If that sort of thing is what you end up doing just to get money, you may as well frankly just go freelance and sell your own skills to save your mental health.

As it was put somewhere, work, family and health (or something like that) can be represented with balls. If you drop the work ball, it will bounce right up again because it is a rubber ball. Family and health are glass balls that will shatter if you drop them.

When I was doing the degree I chose prior, my mental health started declining, but it's totally fine now since I've found what I love doing in lieu of it. I could not imagine doing a job I hated for 8 hours a day, since you'd only be awake/commuting for the remaining 6 (?) hours of that day (with 10h sleep/food/etc allowance). That's practically over half the day.

There is literally no point earning money from a job you hate because you will more often than not, not spend it in those remaining 6 hours, besides food, commute and bills. Your life's too short to spend on a job you hate.

That said, engineering is a good degree, but it does not mean you need to do an engineering job at all. What matters most is whether you actually like engineering. If not (i.e: it's making you burst into tears or something) then it's not really worth continuing.
 

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Want to get paid for your work? Be a politician. No other job pays AT ALL.


Ohh wait, that depends on where do you live actually, right? :D


In my country, I got no chance but to do what I can, and that includes literally any job I get (except the illegal stuffs, I could never do those).


I worked as a baker, as a carpenter, as a packager, as a salesman, sometimes accepted seasonal works too, and now as a programmer. And I'm not even THAT old yet! :D


But even if I hated most jobs I got, the bad part can be neglected if you do it with people you actually like.


In my carpenter times, I cut my hands 10 times a day, dropped 200+ kgs beds hell of a lot times on my feet, moved those heavy beds on the 4th or higher floors, literally bled for money, but my boss and I joked the whole day about anything. We worked and talked without a stop, so many stupid things we talked about made time fly and surprisingly we did our job as well.


Working in the bakery got so many bad things in it alone, that I don't think I can list them all here, but the thing people would think the worst is the nighttime shift. Honestly, that was the best part of it. Nights. No people on the streets, quiet, no distraction. It is quite relaxing to work at nighttime, at least for me, even in 50+ Celsius. :D


Anyway, you might think that you can choose, but sadly, when the time comes to decide for real, you won't really have a choice. You either take every opportunity you get or you will end up with no money in your pockets.


But that does not mean that you can not do other things besides a job. That's how I learned programming. 2 hours a day for around a year, and I managed to learn quite a good amount of Ruby on my own. Ironically, I went to a programming school where I got absolutely no knowledge about ANY programming language after 4 freaking years! What a waste of my time that was... All I learned was how some old gibberish PCs worked. Damn, nobody used those kind of PCs even in the years we learned about them. When I saw that this bull-crap continues even on the academy, I left that poor excuse of an academy and went straight to work.


Bottom line: Don't pay for any academy to learn some collection of bull-craps you won't ever use! That is an utter waste of money!


These are my experiences regarding my working life and studying life. Needless to say, I live in a "not-so-advanced" country, which made my viewpoint of life as a whole quite bitter overall. But seeing the world like this spares me from constant disappointments, that's for sure.


I have no idea if I was on topic here, so sorry if I was not. :p
 

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Generally speaking, there are two ways to live your life -


Doing work you want to do, or doing work to be able to do what you want to do.


The first is difficult - not only because not all people actually know what they want to do, but because we change over


time, and because what you want to do might not be feasible in terms of sustaining your own life.


The latter approach is often much more constructive, because


A.) if you're working to be able to do things you enjoy,


you're more likely to be able to endure a larger amount of different types of work and stick with what you


choose even if you're going through rough patches or change opinions on what you want to do


on your own time, and


B.) it's more realistic, since work is work, and even things you love can get tedious when you're doing it


to make a wager, not as a past-time activity that you can enjoy purely on your own premises.


Should people chase their dreams? Certainly. Some people even have to be willing to risk complete and abject


failure in pursuing their dreams, because these are the kind of people that make the world go round.


We wouldn't have most of the world's greatest art, technology, and knowledge if we didn't have people like this.


The other side of the coin though, is that 99% of the people who pursue high-risk dreams, fail.


Most people can't hack it.


That's why, it's generally smarter, unless you're all gung-ho and don't have anything else weighing you down


(like a family, or debt etc.) to pursue dreams within reason -


that is to say, prioritize covering your primary and secondary needs first, and then build a platform where


you can safely pursue your dream whilst having something to fall back on.


Practically speaking - it's better to, for instance, be a trained chef, or electrician, and then enter university


and go for the strange and exotic degree, then to just go for the degree.


Similarly, it's better to pursue your dream of becoming a musician after you've attained a proper day-job.


It might take longer this way, and feel like your chances of succeeding are smaller because your attention is


divided, but at least this way you don't have to worry about what happens if your dream turns out to have been


just another fantasy.


Like always, the saying "Know thyself" is alpha omega. Don't make choices based on what you vaguely feel is the case,


or what other people tell you that you ought to feel is the case. Instead, carefully introspect and make a choice


based on who you think you are, and what you think you can comfortably risk in pursuit of happiness.


Many people are okay with mediocre levels of happiness granted a high level of security - others don't need


security. They'd rather fail and live in squalor knowing they tried to reach the top, than not having tried at all.


Only you can know which camp you fall into.


If you're uncertain though - it's almost always better to safe - to pick the option that gives you the most


amount of flexibility. As an engineer, you can make a lot of money, and there is nothing stopping you from


taking a second degree once you finished your first. That way, you can do whatever you want to,


success or failure notwithstanding, and still have something to fall back on later.


As they say in Japan,


Ganbare!

Money doesn't make happiness nor buys it. But when have you seen someone on a financial disaster that is actually happy? Yeah, didn't think so.
I would disagree on both accounts here though - not only can you buy happiness with money, if you know what


makes you happy and those things cost money (if playing games, for instance, makes you happy, then


the act of purchasing those games is the equivalent of buying happiness) - but there is also


a large spectrum of financial situations, where in many cases, you can have relatively poor people being


both happier and more psychological healthy than those with a lot of money.


You say "financial disaster", and yeah, if you have no money whatsoever, then your chance of being


miserable is large - but this is hyperbola, because you know as well as I, that even with today's job-market,


even with a relatively useless university degree, you could still opt to work in some sort of unskilled


labor profession, and at least earn enough to put bread on your own table.


So, in the case of "sacrificing everything for the sake of a pipe-dream", as long as you're not racked up


in debt, or have a family to support etc. pursuing a "useless" university degree is probably not


going to lead to financial disaster, so it's a moot point to make in relation to this conversation.


And, as a person who grew up around insanely rich people, but spent most of my teens with friends


from poor neighborhoods (because I just can't stand rich kids most of the time) I can say that in my


experience, after a certain point, your happiness and mental health will be negatively proportionate to


how much cash you have (although there are exceptions of course).


The rich people I know lead some of the most empty lives you could possibly imagine, and dope themselves


up regularly to run away from that fact.


The lower-middle-class, working-class people I know on the other hand, mostly lead fulfilling and rewarding


lives.
 
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Holy stink, where have I been? Well, I started my temporary job this week. So less time to spend on game design... :(
Cartoonier cloud cover that better fits the art style, as well as (slightly) improved blending/fading... fading clouds when there are larger patterns is still somewhat abrupt for some reason.
Do you Find Tilesetting or Looking for Tilesets/Plugins more fun? Personally I like making my tileset for my Game (Cretaceous Park TM) xD

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