Change to People2 sprite

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  1. LTN Games

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    Meanwhile all plugin devs get censored every update. They chnagc the code and remove methods we use, forcing us to go back to our plugins and change a few lines of code.- said every plugin developer never.
    How about this for ever pixel you complain about being censored I'll come up with a line or code changed to show my concern about JavaScript censorship. :guffaw:
     
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    This thread has been created by moving all the posts discussing this in the 'MV 1.6.1 stable version' thread.

    In its original location it was derailing the thread, and we think it is better that it is all in its own thread, rather than interwoven with posts dealing with something completely different.
     
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    Maybe you should change the title to Censorship: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.
     
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    I didn't say I couldn't ask why KDKW decided to do it, I said I did not KNOW why they did it. And honestly I'm more focused on getting bug reports to them than figuring out why they decided to change a sprite, especially as everyone still has access to the original.

    I get that some people are very touchy about possible censorship, but in this case, it was a change that KDKW made with pretty much no input from the EN side, so how about we stop throwing around politically charged terms like "SJW".

    Unless you want me to share my full thoughts on people who have become so reactionary to those that actual do take things too far that they've basically started attacking anyone and anything that is actually trying to make gaming a better space.
     
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    I still don't know why gamers treat censorship as a genuinely bad thing anyway. What, does it stifle their libido or something?
     
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    unless the bunny girl's legs were covered, and the swimsuits in the character generator were removed, i don't really buy into this being "censorship". i just think it was an artistic choice. all you have to do is simply use the old sprite. if future buyers of RM have a problem, they can just seek out the sprite, as well.

    also, here's a tip for the future: if you want people to take you seriously when complaining, don't use words like "snowflake" and "SJW".
     
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    It is a bad thing. Like it was already said, it damages artistic expression.
     
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    The thing is though, getting angry over anyone changing their own work, without any knowledge as to why, could also damage artistic expression.
     
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    Yes. But at first glance it does seem like censorship. But I'm not pointing fingers at anyone :c (nor do I really care for this particular case to be honest).
     
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    I think people need to be very careful about asserting that all censorship is a bad thing, and stifles artistic expression. Just consider where the logic of that idea takes you.

    Equally, "first glances" are often wrong. Think of the times in your own life where you have been misunderstood/misjudged because of what the other deduced from a "first glance". I would be surprised if anyone ever claimed that they had never misunderstood/misjudged someone else themselves. So proper caution should be shown about making strong claims based on an assumption without evidence.
     
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    I dont know, why did people treat toning down some of the same sex (sort of) kissing scenes in Steven universe a bad thing.

    Personally, im of the opinion its self censorship until such a time its explicitly confirmed it isnt. Though ill take Touchfuzzys word on it as explicit . Still im anti-censorship in all cases. I dont reallly like how the mod response seemed pretty hostile to the guy though. It was basically "stop caring about things i dont care about you horny ingrate" also there have been odd cases of selective censorship that made no sense before (like SFV censoring R. Mika then releasing even racier stuff for Laura.)
     
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    Translation: "I am an SJW and I want to censor things I don't like".

    People like you are not making anything better. All you people do is destroy.
     
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    @trouble time : Really? ALL cases? So you wouldn't care if I interrupted your movie with a political speech then? Because if you say you do care, then you are for censorship of some sort.
     
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    I dont think that falls under censorship if you stand up in a movie theatre and start talking about politics, if its part of the movie then no i wouldnt advocate a speech being removed even if it goes against my own views, but hey maybe im operating under a different (or possibly wrong) definition of censorship so ill elaborate. Im against changing art at the behest of moral or political pressure. I dont like things needing to be changed or toned down based on laws, but theres really no choice besides not releasing it in that case. I dont have a chance to ever prive this, but id be against making a costume skimpier due to moral or political pressure too...but i dont think thats ever happened.

    Whoa, calm down. I dont think Touchfuzzy was saying games are made better by covering characters up or anything like that. Personally if the change was because someone thought the character was sinful id have a problem with it. I think id have more of a problem with this if iy were a game being changed and not game creation software though.
     
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    @trouble time There can be, imo, legitimate reasons for censoring something.

    For example: a trailer for a hard core porn move which included a section showing anal rape of men and women which the creators want shown during a TV programme for 6-year olds in order to catch adults watching with them. I would expect that to be rejected. That is, of course, something of an extreme case, but the question then becomes, at what point, and how, [i.e. by what criteria] do we say censorship of some form must kick in.
     
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    @trouble time : Fair enough. I see what you mean there.

    @Little Paw : Funny you accuse them of destroying things, yet I happen to know of a couple of plug-ins you destroyed as the creator got fed up with your attacks and rants and just decided to drop support for it altogether as they didn't want to deal with people acting like you did. So I'd say you honestly need to cease and desist with the destroy accusations, as you have personally destroyed a few MV plug-ins yourself.
     
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    Personally i wouldnt put rhat under my definition of censorship. The way im looking at it if the movie were made to be toned down itd be censorship. Thats why i reworded what i meant. Basically i think the work itself has a right to stay unchanged, but a network can have its standards, especially if there are alternative networks.
     
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    If you want a good example, look up at what happened with the game "Agony".
     
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    @Kes @trouble time
    Here is a much better example of censorship:

    After the end of WorldWar 2 one among the first laws implemented here in Germany was a restriction not to display nazi symbols outside very limited contexts like a historical analysis.
    That law was enforced in such a way that it resulted in a lot of censorship like editing disney comics if they included those symbols even when portraying them on Mickey's enemies and similiar situations.

    But given the context of that censorship I think that is somewhat understandable, and it was required by law to follow those rules no matter what.
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    That said, the changes on the sprite are so minimal that it looks to me like artistic choice and not censorship, especially since japan is much more tolerant toward such things.
     
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    I mean while that is an example of censorship i honestly i dont think it really should have been done.

    Also the edit to the sprite by necessity had to be minimal didnt it? I mean theres not much you can do to it. I mean theres not much more they could do to it besides making it an all new sprite. I guess they could have covered the stomach or changed the sprite from a dancer to a diver ir something (with a cute little snorkel).
     
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