Yes, the difference is that Arin was generalizing, you were specifically name calling. And no, I did not like his message where he called men disgusting, but one in which he was talking about respect.
I don't think we should really be playing nice with people who deny women's humanity, but i dont want to break the rules.
I don't agree. there's never a reason to do these "sexy" character designs, they don't have to have a character who it would "make sense" (as if that were possible) to be designed a sex object. There is definitely something wrong with sexualuzed characters.Alright. I've looked at this thread, I debated on staying away from it because it's a hot mess, but I'll weigh my opinion in on this whole censorship ordeal.
As far as that particular sprite goes, who cares? the resolution most of these things are drawn at, it doesn't make that big of a difference. I almost feel like the point of this post was to bait an argument.
Personal opinion on that a side, Censorship is a messy ordeal. If you want a male/female character who by definition is a sultry character, and that gets censored for the fact of making it more friendly, that in a way is compromising the original works of said author and causing him to have to change parts of his story to rewrite the story to make this basically new character fit into the plot.
There is nothing wrong with sexualized characters in my opinion as long as it serves a purpose to the characters origin and story.
Now if the characters are just there to be objects for eye candy and have no depth and are just meant to be there to be sexy, that is a case where I feel censorship is needed.
This is too broad of a topic to jot down all my thoughts.
The post by @Touchfuzzy is actually a great example of senseless censorship.
Well, to cap off what I basically was getting to before getting tangled in the mess of cords that is censorship, Small res, pixels, slightly different shade that looks like it is to imply shadows. It's really not a good argument to have.
And especially when Censorship is based off of cultural sensitivities and looks something like this:
Uh huh. Yup. Sure. A POC with a skinhead as his profile pic. Totally. Im sure. Absolutely.
You really didn't read my post or understand it did You?I don't think we should really be playing nice with people who deny women's humanity, but i dont want to break the rules.
I don't agree. there's never a reason to do these "sexy" character designs, they dont have to have a character who it would "make sense" (as if that were possible) to be designed a sex object. There is definitely somethibg wrong with sexualuzed characters.
But Lorgar's my guy.Uh huh. Yup. Sure. A POC with a skinhead as his profile pic. Totally. Im sure. Absolutely.
I understand your post. What I'm saying is that you don't have to create a character that is sexual based on their origin because as a writer you control their origin. Swap out your chain-thong amazon for a culture that values actual armor and you never need to make that kind of character. Swap out a succubus for literally any other lind of monster. Even if theres some in universe explaination or story to it, it doesnt have to be there."You really didn't read my post or understand it did You?
Yes they can do that but they really shouldn't. Its like @Celianna said "Hooray for people minding what they say and show to the world.It doesn't have to be, but if they choose to put it in there, they are free to do so.
How is this censorship, suggesting that it is is basically saying that any criticism of anything is censorship. For one he wasn't talking about a game, I mean I mentioned someone else shouldn't have done their art the way they did earlier (and I stand by that, I don't think you'd disagree if you saw it) but not to Adonael. Its been established that when a creator chooses to change their work that its not really censorship its just someone choosing to do the right thing.
its not just some simple thing though, I'm saying that the way things are over-sexualized is hurting people, it leads to the victimization of women. Sure some people like those games, but some people also like to murder small animals and that's wrong just like this isSo I read through this thread and I gathered at some point it was a merging but I'm not even sure what we are trying to talk about here anymore (which is generally a sign that things have started getting toxic or the discussion is starting to run its course). It doesn't seem to be about the sprite change per se anymore. Which as far as I'm concerned is something I'm not going to take a real guess at. Maybe they decided to censor it to make it conform to a global market more and make it consistent for all people in their market, maybe it was simply some artistic choice like Cel said, literally maybe its just someone banking on a look from a popular game. I don't think assuming either way on something helps with this, its not going to get anyone closer to getting an answer and all its really doing is creating some sort of division in our forum that I don't think it really needs.
It seems the discussion is moving towards more being about sexuality in characters and how that's shown and if that's okay? I'm not particularly for all the goofy way female characters tend to be overly sexualized; like unrealistic armors and what have you mostly because it ruins the sense of immersion and realism which many games strive to obtain; It happens to men in games as well, although less so and in different ways often.
I'm not going to say its wrong though, if people enjoy something in particular like that in their games then that's fine by me. Games are meant to appeal to different types of people from the get go. If people enjoy their muscle bound guys/over masculine warriors, etc... or scantily clad women, etc...in their games then there is a gametype for them. For other people there are other games, I'm not also going to try and fathom all the reasons why a company might choose to censor something but one reason might legitimately be to make their product more appealing to more people, which is frankly just good business sense a lot of the time.
As developers we can create our worlds and games how we see fit and we can try to make them how we desire them and for whom we desire them. If you want your game to have that sense of sexuality have it, if you don't that's fine to in my opinion. I also think one thing gets overlooked with sexuality in characters; the discussion is often it doesn't have to be there or its okay but I think often it gets ignored on whether its right for the world, the audience you are presenting to and if its right for the character. If you are trying to build a realistic world with your game, sexuality is one aspect of that as its part of real life and real people. Some people display their sexuality more than others, some people don't. Often times I think it gets overlooked that sexuality can be an actual trait of some specific individuals. For some of those individuals they might have a multitude of reasons, maybe it empowers them, maybe they use their sexuality to their advantage, or maybe they've become caught up in their own appearance and ego, maybe its how they feel comfortable.
just cause something is a generalization doesn't mean its innaccurate. and my comparison wasn't the best (its late where I am), but I stand by my statement. Its not about "reasonable moral people" cause reasonable moral people can see the kind of harm that's done. If it really didn't affect people then nothing would ever need to be changed anyway.@Bellflowers That's a generalization and being exposed to some sexualized characters in a video game is not going to make any reasonable moral person into someone who wants to harm women. Also making the assumption you aren't referring to things like hunting either with your ending statement, comparing people who like sexy characters with someone who kills small animals for pleasure is an extreme and inaccurate comparison.
A waitress often dresses in tight close and a a revealing top and also, not always, flirts in way to get tips.I understand your post. What I'm saying is that you don't have to create a character that is sexual based on their origin because as a writer you control their origin. Swap out your chain-thong amazon for a culture that values actual armor and you never need to make that kind of character. Swap out a succubus for literally any other lind of monster. Even if theres some in universe explaination or story to it, it doesnt have to be there."