Clash of Worlds Tactics

[woltex]

Hello fellas, Im Dante and this is gonna be a huge wall of text.

Im designing a Tactics RPG kind of game, as the title states, meant to be a MMO, PvP oriented (@EDIT: I do realize this is RPG Maker's forums. Since Im not a good enough programmer, Im gonna use what I know to emulate what I can in said engine to test formulas and stuff. Am already aware there is no easy MMO feature for RPG Maker as of now). The game is gonna have 58 races (which I'm gonna list) and each of them can be any of the 55 jobs. Each of those jobs are gonna have 3 paths, being one of them locked for the most suitable race for the job. There are also 12 Hume only jobs for your main character.

Also, for a bit more customization, equipment sets are gonna have 4 attack paths, 4 defense paths and 4 utility paths: damage, dexterity, crit, magic, health, defense, elemental defense, magic defense, movement, speed, tenacity and evasion.

The plot, twists aside, is quite simple: you are a normal, tho intelligent person, when two realities clash. The lawful evil antagonist did this to create chaos, say, from tribes disputing the same land (since both lands are merged), in order to rule this new world. You then meet the protagonist and is asked to become his tactician.

I also plan on making each race and each job have a special trait, and each job path have 4 skills (be it passive or not) on his set. I have the concepts of most paths done, but I'm having trouble designing some original yet themed mechanics. Of course there would be no problem repeating some stuff if need be, but I'm trying to avoid it, and there is where you guys come in: I want you to design skillsets for any job path you feel like, even if they turn out to be crappy, since even those can give me ideas. Why would you do it? First of all, the brainstorm for itself could help you for your own project (and future projects). But mostly because it is fun. I dont know about you guys, but I like to theorycraft.

As a disclaimer, I do realize some of the ideas/names are overpowered/lame, but remember this is still a prototype.

Now lets get to the not fun part.

Races

- Hume
- Penguin
- Walrus

Nephilim
- Garuda
- Angel
- Daemon
- Owl

Merfolk
- Siren
- Croc
- Kraken
- Toad

Undeads
- Skeleton
- Mummy
- Zombie
- Vampire

Giants
- Warforged
- Robot
- Colossus
- Treant

Aliens
- Grey
- Predator
- Yeti
- Yoda

Furry
- Skaven
- Neko
- Kobold
- Fox

Amorphous
- Blob
- Shadow
- Chamelleon
- Protoplasm

Mythic Beings
- Gokujin
- Shapeshifter
- Pig People
- Pandaren

Insects
- Ladybug
- Mantis
- Arachna
- Wasp

Reptiles
- Naga
- Draconian
- Lizard
- Turtle

Forest Dwellers
- Fairy
- Centaur
- Viera
- Satyr

Greenskins
- Orc
- Ogre
- Troll
- Goblin

Halflings
- Hobbit
- Imp
- Dwarf
- Gnome

Elven
- High Elf
- Blood Elf
- Night Elf
- Wood Elf

Jobs


- Name (best suited race)[weapon]
*explanation*

Special
- Demolisher (Goblin)[bombs]
//Uses mines to deal massive delayed AoE damage, at the cost of hurting allies caught in the area as well. Can explode himself//
- Puppeteer (Wasp)[strings]
//Either controls foes actions or empowers allies'. Moderate crowd control//
- Fighter (Shapeshifter)[Nothing]
//Has four stances, egret (speed), cobra (gap closer), mantis (counter) and tiger (damage bump)//
- Morpher (Protoplasm)[same as Target]
//Upon morphing into an enemy, copies his/her skills and equipment, but mantainin its original stats//
- Warlord (Kobold)[Fan]
//Either stays in formation with allies to provide buffs or act as a weaker frontliner with party buffs//
- Lumberjack (Gnome)[Chainsaw]
//Melee AoE damage with saw throwing and bleeding stacks//
- Lancer (Garuda)[Javelin]
//Kind of like the Final Fantasy Dragooner, with Jumping skills. Since he flies, he gets +1 damage mod and avoids some ground target AoE skills//
- Painter (Penguin)[brush]
//Meant to only be unlocked in save games +, and meant to be banned from PvP, being only the face of the "franchise". He can "draw" any skill in the game//
- Mathematician (Walrus)[Calculator]
//Meant to only be unlocked in save games +, and meant to be banned from PvP, being only the antagonist of the "franchise". He can "calculate" any skill in the game, but only hit like tyles with prime number of height, as does Final Fantasy Tactics Calculator//

Riders
- Peg Knight (Angel)[Javelin]
    . ?
    . Battle Cleric
//She can consecrate soil, making anyone standind in there unable to use abilities or attacks, can cast a sun beam that deals an AoE and marks enemies. Allies dealing damage to marked enemies break the mark for some extra damage, has equality, making anyone in the AoE have his health reduced/increased to the same Battle Cleric current health, can make an ally unkillable (his life total cannot be less than 1)//
    . (Valkyrie)
//Can send both parties to bifrost, making the battlefield plain, can dispell, has a skill shot that deals more damage the more her javelin has traveled//
- Triton (Croc)[Trident]
    . ?
    . Marauder
//Deals increased damage in isolated enemies. Can snare and get camuflated, being invisible and untargetable, but only while standing still//
    . (Blood Seeker)
//Kind of like DotA's Bloodseeker//
- Motorcycle (Imp)[shotgun]
    . ?
    . Vandal
//Hybrid of a rider and a gunner, could use stuff like Ragnarok's Shadow Chasers Masquerades or something with spray painting//
    . (Vendetta)
//More power the higher the enemy kill count is//
- Dragon (Draco)[Halberd]
    . Dragon Breath
//Turns into chinese dragons to spit elemental breaths in a cone//
    . Dragon Heart
//Revives once everytime he can pop out his ultimate. Aside from that, not sure about his battle skills//
    . (Dovahkin)
//Shouts, obviously//
- Paladin (Hume)[Pike]
//Can ress people by sacrificing his own life, can repel magic and deals more damage against dark//

Sage
- Time Mage (Fairy)[Time Cube]
    . Timestream
//Goes twice per turn, can haste, can slow, can half an enemy hp once for turn and can go back in time, going back to the same state (hp, buffs and debuffs, except cooldowns) she was x turns ago//
    . Gravitymancer
//Makes flying units no longer fly, has the Meteo skill from Final Fantasy//
    . (Wishmaster)
//Not sure on the moveset, but can only use three skills per fight//
- Soul Weaver (Blood Elf)[scythe]
    . Shadow Fiend
//Stores souls of the fallen, either allies or enemies, to gain benefits, can also swap health//
    . Death Itself
//Magic based assassin, can also cast doom. Enemies killed by Death Itself will only die after their next turn, which is controlled by you. Death Embrace, that sends its target into stasis, regenerating health and making them unable to act and get damaged for x turns//
    . (Fel)
//Tethers enemies, making them share damage, also has an AoE soul expansion that deals AoE damage split evenly by targets hit. Has a purge, that deals damage and dispells enemies from buffs and debuffs. Last skill is a 0 damage skull that, after impact, explodes into 8 shards that deal damage//
- Trickster (Neko)[Cards]
    . Merchant
//Equips a backpack, with which can carry more potions, throws money, opens a vending where either allies or foes can buy, but a percentage of the money gained/spent that way and of the damage received in an area around the merchant bumps his money throw damage//
    . Thief
//Can divest foes. Can confine with him... Other than that, Im lost//
    . (Gambler)
//You know the theme, skills with odds/that affects odds, a card skill, an AoE that affects random tiles within the area//
- Hemomancer (Vampire)[Needle]
    . Surgeon
//Master of the needles, uses them to puncture its victim, making them bleeding and pressing pressure points//
    . Blood Pact
//Uses health to do cast stuff, if he dies, kills the target of his ulti//
    . (Blood Eater)
//Manipulates blood at his will, can turn into a pool of blood, eats people blood to regain life//
- Blue Mage (Hume)[scmitar]
//Either is this bipolar mage, who can use any magic from a list, but can only re-use magic if its polar opposite is used, like fire ball can only be cast again in the fight if you cast an ice ball or is a mage who can cast any magic he is hit by//

Swordsmen
- Gladiator (Orc)[Two Slashing Weapons]
    . Retiarium
//The gladiator per se, gets stronger for each foe he slays. Also has combat awareness and first strike. Thought of he being able to act again if he kills with his action as well//
    . Hoplite
//He has a sword and a dagger, but his passive is a spectral shield. Can enter phalanx stance while near allies//
    . (Executioner)
//He uses a hook and an axe. Deals more damage the less life his target has, and can hook enemies//
- Arcanist (Warforged)[sword and Gauntlet]
    . Cursed Blade
//Loses HP each turn, tho being a strong melee unit. Dark based skills//
    . Spellbane
//Silences, disrupts cast, spell shields and more damage the higher the target's int is//
    . (Spellblade)
//I think this character skillset is optimum, but eh... Has a lifelink/spend life to deal more damage on hit, a 3 hit combo, endows attacks for him or his party and has a weaker ranged skill//
- Shinigami (Mantis)[2 Swords]
    . Hitten Mitsurugi
//Skills from the Rurouni Kenshin anime, not necessarily from Kenshin himself//
    . Niten Ichi Ryu
//Musashi's style, no idea what it has that is different of any other sword style. Maybe I should just research instead of asking here, haha//
    . (Grievous)
//Can unleash 4 swords, making him attack four times per turn, making it the prime critical user//
- Defender of Tomorrow (Yoda)[Lightsaber]
    . Sith
//Chokes, some lightning attacks, battle proficiency//
    . Jedi
//Chance to throw back projectiles, force user, battle proficiency//
    . (Radiator)
//Dumb path name, but mainly is based on radiation exposure//
- Samurai (Hume)[sword and Sheath]
//All skills based on a cast draw out. If you unleash the different types of slash imediately after the draw, you get longer range and damage//

Supports
- Shaman (Driad)[Mace]
    . Oracle
//Basicaly he incorporates spirits. I was thinking of an egiptian or greco-roman theme. Of course, polymorph would be there//
    . Voodoo
//Ultimate creates a doll of an enemy that takes (reduced) damage every time the doll is hit. DoT and HoT wards. "Maledict", from DotA//
    . (Spirit Caller)
//Something like an elementalist, calling upon the spirits of nature//
- Priest (High Elf)[staff]
    . Cleric
//Barrier, Shell, Reflect, Heal//
    . Dark Cleric
//Shreds armor, inflicts weak mind (bumping magical damage), makes his target absord a part of the damage/healing taken by nearby allies, deals a dark DoT//
    . (Mana addict)
//Mana shield, mind vision, has a "kicker" spell, where the more mana used to cast, the more the damage, mana drain//
- Protector (Turtle)[shield]
    . Thornmail
//A taunt, reflects physical damage, shield bash, blinds, making attacks more likely to miss//
    . Runic Shield
//A taunt, reflects magical damage, shield bash, migraines, making spells be more likely to miss//
    . (Leviathan)
//Tethers to allies, taking damage for them, projectiles always stop at him, hitting him instead of the target, safeguards allies, shielding them, takes reduced crowd control//
- Juggler (Pig)[inventory]
    . Acrobat
//Skills based on acrobats tricks like flying kicks or simply "Mario" jumping on enemies. Also some throwing//
    . Duet
//Juggling with another duet-user skills bumps the damage by any thrown item by an "auto attack"//
    . (Clown)
//Throws funny stuff, like pies, smiles (gives his turn to someone, like in Final Fantasy), rings and moves more, but randomly, since they are "mounted" in a monocycle//
- Survivalist (Hume)[Knife]
//Has more defense the more hp he loses, has bonuses and/or skills depending on the terrain he is in, can fake death, making him invulnerable for a couple of turns but unable to attack//

Elementalist
- Wind (Owl)[broom]
    . Wind Walker
//Primarily a support, speeding allies and creating wind shields, which makes them reflect ranged damage//
    . Eye of the Storm
//Lightning themed, can cause ticks of mana loss, paralyze, stun and chain lightning//
    . (Inquisitor)
//The only mage that can crit, can blow away foes, has infinite range on one skill, and can ignore enemy mdef on a single target nuke//
- Fire (Daemon)[Lighter]
    . Pyromancer
//Has the ability to oil in an area, slowing and amplifying fire damage. Can use fire walls that deals damage for anyone that pass through it and has the primary skill in fireball, that shoves out people that get damaged by its impact//
    . White Flames
//White flame dispells one debuff per round and every tick recharges some mana from its target, has a Holy Nova (AoE around the caster), deals heavy damage but applies health regen per turn in the target of a single target nuke//
    . (Infernal)
//Can summon a molten golem dealing AoE damage, has dark flame, a DoT that CANNOT be dispelled until the target dies, but deals low damage, if he dies, he gets then turned into an egg, that if not killed in x turns, the infernal rises once again//
- Water (Yeti)[sigil]
    . Tidecaller
//Support class, has aqua ring, that dispells once per turn and heals a bit its target, Nami's (from League of Legends) ebb and flow, bubble and ultimate//
    . Geiser
//Infinite range on his geisers (tho delayed), has some mist skills//
    . (Ice Age)
//Ice theme, if full combo lands, ultimate means instant death by absolute zero//
- Earth (Treant)[Gloves]
    . ?
    . Geomancer
//Pretty much the Earthshaker from DotA//
    . (Tree of Life)
//Summons thorns that are impassable and hurt people in melee range, but can be killed, has a solarbeam kind of single target nuke, that takes two turns to cast, and can root people in an area, can root himself to heal//
- Red Mage (Hume)[4 orbs]
//Pretty much the Invoker from DotA, summons one element per turn, being able to cast the invoked spell. For instance, fire casts a simple fire ball, fire + ice casts a mist spell, fire + earth a magma spell, etc//

Other Melee 1
- Titan (Ogre)[Morning Star]
    . Goliath
//Can grow or shrink at his will//
    . ?
    . (Cannibal)
//Devores corpses to heal, flings enemies backwards//
- Chains (Blob)[Chains]
    . Kusarigama
//Can hook allies in, can go to an enemy adjacent tile after hooking it, can simply leash him in one tile closer to the caster and deal some damage, and his ultimate is a melee slash that deals more damage if he just hooked himself in//
    . Torturer
//Thorn chains, can torture his own allies for buffs, makes the enemy bleed//
    . (Unicell)
//Can revive like Zac from League of Legends, has chain skills like Saint Seiya's Andromeda knight, can morph his stats//
- Ninja (Shadow)[Nunchuks]
    . Ninpou
//Mage ninja, uses simple elemental spells (could go Rasengan like in Naruto) in order to lower the foe resist to elements. For instance, Fire lowers its resist to Water//
    . Slinger
//Is a simple thrower, with makibishi, huuma, exploding kunais and can summon a toad that can serve as mount for him or allies//
    . [shadow Walker]
//Goes invisible, has Cast-off Ciceda Shell (Ragnarok), and sacrifices his life to single digits to deal damage, has a haunt skill, summoning one ghost near each enemy, also granting vision of haunted units. Can swap places with ghosts still alive by next turn//
- Minutemen (Skeleton)[skull]
    . Storm Trooper
//Summons a gunner randomly per turn, each having one skill still to be decided from the actual gunners skillsets, only a weaker version. The necromancer is a gunner who can unleash them all in a barage to the direction they are facing//
    . Black Hand
//Super hero themed skills, raises one random hero skeleton every turn from four possible, each having one skill. The necromancer makes enemies party vision limited//
    . (Hordes of Chaos)
//The necromancer reanimates enemies weaker versions of fallen characters. Summons 3 kinds of PvE monsters randomly, each having one skill//
- Viking (Hume)[Hammer]
//Pretty much Olaf from League of Legends except his Ragnarok is a Frenesi skill, healing, bumping damage, speed, cleansing cc but inflicting confusion and silence on the Vike//

Other Melee 2
- Drunken (Pandaren)[Knuckles]
    . Brawler
//Has a one-two combo with pummel, dealing damage each consecutive turn the enemy stays in melee range, and a shoryuken like skill, that is a finisher for pummel. Also has an aurablast and a spin fist//
    . Judo
//Grappling skills, not sure how to work on the mechanics and what different types of grapples there are//
    . (Avatar)
//Skills like Pandaren Brewmaster from DotA//
- Idol (Colossus)[Pickaxe]
    . Archaeologist
//A summoner of dinosaurs, unsure of the mechanics, ultimate crystallize a foe, supressing him (stun) for a turn and dragging him as well//
    . Miner
//Can dig to deal delayed damage like in Pokémon, has sandstream and sandstorm skills as well//
    . (Nautilus)
//Pretty much Nautilus from League of Legends, except for the Ultimate//
- Monk (Gokujin)[Rod]
    . Taoist
//Skills like Wukong from League of Legends//
    . Buddhist
//Awakens allies from stun, meditates, taking less damage and healing for some hp/mp, does a little AoE where he leaps from target to target dealing damage (like Chain Lightning) and "blinking" to the first enemy hit, has pressure points like skill//
    . (Sayiajin)
//Shoots blasts of energy, has a super sayian button, can blink, has a "go away" punch//
- Assassin (Viera)[2 Daggers]
    . Katar
//Deals a sucession of attacks that makes the target face the direction you choose//
    . Shredder
//Deals more damage the more armor/hp the enemy has//
    . (Mercenary)
//Deals more damage the more debuffs are on the enemy//
- Duelist (Hume)[Rapier]
//Counters attacks, able to move again after attacking, creates an arena like unpassable terrain. Gets stronger each duel won//

Gunner
- Pirate (Kraken)[sword and Pistol]
    . Conqueror
//Same as the warlord but with AoE DEBUFFS//
    . Bucanneer
//Equips a cannon instead of the jobs standard, has a MOAB that also shoves the caster backwards a little, can rocket jump, places an anchor that pulls enemies into it and has a mortar skill for increased range and Graves' from League of Legends ultimate//
    . (Davy Jones)
//Has a poisoned blade, can pass through impassable terrain, has a pet parrot that deals damage when allies are hurt, randomly. Ultimate throws a ghost ship, like DotA's Kunkka//
- Sharpshooter (Dwarf)[Gun]
    . Patriot[bayonet]
//When at critical health, has a superhero button, can make all allies in range of an enemy attack at once//
    . Punisher
//Can use any weapon in the game, is immune to any kind of cc, has no skills, has high base stats//
    . (Sniper)[Rifle]
//Increases damage for each turn standing still, can OHKO an enemy after x turns//
- Tinker (Robot)[Cannon]
    . Turret Master
//Creates different kinds of turrets that attack on sight//
    . Mechanic
//Can create a vehicle that can transport more than one ally, but damage taken by the vehicle is shared//
    . (Cyborg)
//Can take control of enemy summoned units, can trigger on and off his jetpack, either giving him flying and movement range or speed, has a kamehameha like skill, has a cluster missile, being single target and exploding in an octogon pattern, but in 8 single cells around the first explosion//
- Futurist (Predator)[Plasma Gun]
    . ?
    . Master Chief
//Bubble shield, PEM grenade, plasma blade that ignores def, has a superhero turn once per match//
    . (Intergalactic Enforcer)
//A "wall" (not unpassable) of light that bumps projectile damage and movements from allies passing through, summons an invulnerable satelite that shoots foes either passing through or staying on its tile with a laser beam, proximity mines that seek foes passing by in a range and a force field, not entirely sure what it does, but Frankenstein already does the lightning DoT//
- Mafia (Hume)[2 Pistols]
//Bouncing shots (to random directions, inverse rainstorm (Dante from Devil May Cry), he is the prime ranged crit user, since he can hit several times a turn//

Archer
- Plague (Skaven)[bow]
    . Vermin
//Skills like Twitch from League of Legends//
    . ~insert name that is not sniper~
//A straight arrow that damages everything on its path, dealing less damage for each target hit, a headshot like skill, with sure crits, shoots three arrows at once that go in straight lines, two diagonals and one in a straight line//
    . (Symbiote)
//Infects any target that is hit by him, deals more overall damage per infected target, can switch places with an infected target//
- Tribalist (Centaur)[Many]
    . "Blacksmith"
//Can break enemy weapons, buffs allies making them deal more damage but having a chance of breaking their own weapons, can equip anything from its inventory, being able to switch mid fight, can repair broken equipment//
    . Magic Arrows
//Can make his skillshot make curves, has a chance to negate projectile attacks, can shackle one enemy into another, has holy arrows//
    . (Tomahawk)
//Based off apache indians culture, not sure what to create here. I think he could be a dex-int hybrid, cause of all the spirits, but could confuse with both Druid and Shapeshifter//
- Scout (Night Elf)[Crossbow]
    . Eye in the Woods
//Tracks targets, making them taking follow ups when attacked, giving true sight, making them unable to evade and they can't be flanked//
    . Vanguard[Rider]
//A horse rider bowman, but what can make him stand out from other bow users? All I know is that he can run over enemies, stoping at their current tile and shoving them one tile away//
    . (Moon Child)[Glaive]
//Skills like Luna from DotA//
- Hunter (Wood Elf)[Great Bow]
    . Trapper
//Ankle trap that snares the target, skid trap that shoves the target away, dust trap that inflicts blind, spike trap makes them crippled, dealing less damage//
    . Falcooner
//Has true sight, always seeing hidden enemies, auto attacks have a chance of proccing blitz beat, a little AoE, falcon has a chance of proccing every time an enemy within a radius attacks//
    . (Ballista)
//Deals extra damage on snared targets, infinite range on an AoE arrow shower, has a straight line skill that always hits the first enemy on its path, stunning him//
- Mariner (Hume)[bow and Special Arrows]
//Has a poison gas arrow, that makes the target sleep, a flare arrow, that makes the target staggered and unable to phisically attack, a sonic arrow that makes the target unable to magically attack, and a glue arrow, that takes hinders his speed//

Artist
- Instrumentist (Zombie)[Guitar]
    . Troubadour
//Keeps singing on his place, healing party for MP and HP per turn, increases speed and move, makes them ocasionally gain an extra turn or buffing party randomly//
    . Innuendo
//Skills that keep getting bigger and stronger each time you rotate between them. Unsure of the mechanics but I def want a requiem skill, in which if you dont get rid of a debuff, in x turns you take HEAVY damage//
    . (Duet)
//Skills made to be duet with the spec from Dancer//
- Singer (Siren)[Microphone]
    . ?
    . Sonicboom
//Sonic skills are unavoidable, he can buff block, can deafen enemies, dealing damage but making them immune to magic, both from allies and enemies//
    . (Popstar)
//Charm, AoE sleep that afflics both allies and enemies in the area alike//
- Dancer (Ladybug)[Chakram]
    . Belly Dancer
//Keeps dancing on her place, dealing damage on the enemy party, making them ocasionally lose turns, draining some MP or inflicting abnormal statuses at random//
    . Blade Waltz
//Chakram skills, like a boomerang-like skills, an AoE each time she evades something//
    . (Duet)
//Skills made to be duet with the spec from Singer//
- Actor (Chamelleon)[None]
    . ?
    . Knight
//An actor acting a knight, he is meant to be standard, with something like bash and stuff, but with some fun to add flavour. Still not sure on what mechanics to use//
    . (Mime)
//Always does anything allies do, but to the direction he is facing//
- Orator (Hume)[book]
//Can make an ally "soundproof", or immune to magic, can disrupt a cast, has Power Word: Shield and Power Word: Pain from World of Warcraft's Priest//

Alchemist
- Flamel (Hobbit)[Magic Stone]
    . Mad Scientist
//Zombifies enemies, making healing hurt and holy deal more damage, summons a Frankenstein that deals some electric damage AoE//
    . Chemist
//Throws potions, has a full protection making it so equipment cant be broken/stolen, breaks equipment with acid also dealing damage, has AoE heal pot and AoE mana pot//
    . (Midas)
//Can petrify enemies into golden statues at low chance, like Pokémon's Fissure//
- Poisonmancer (Naga)[Rings]
    . Naja
//Can attack poisoned enemies twice, leaves a poison puddle that... Poisons and spreads an AoE neurotoxin that deals poison damage and stacks with regular poison, but cant kill enemies afflicted//
    . Pied Piper
//Chooses where enemies move, but not their actions, other than that, having trouble to differ her from other sound based classes//
    . (Medusa)
//Petrifies enemies, stunning AoE, has a mana shield, making some of the damage taken become mana damage//
- Chef (Toad)[Cleaver]
    . Cuisine
//Cooks buffs, but enemies can grab his foods on the floor before allies//
    . Butcher
//"Severs limbs", making enemies unable to act, gets stronger the more health he has, deals more damage the more health the target has//
    . (Lethal Chef)
//Cooks debuffs, but allies can grab his foods on the floor before enemies//
- Psyonic (Grey)[Third Eye]
    . Telekinectic
//Deals more damage the more mana the enemy has lost, deals more damage the more strenght the target has, since strong body equals weak mind//
    . Far Seer
//Shows allies what is gonna happen next, making them evade the next damage taken no matter what. Deals delayed true damage//
    . (Dimmensional Traveler)
//Teleports, can teleport allies, not sure on offensive skills, teleports him and nearby allies to surround a target, can grasp an enemy, making both the Traveler and the target stunned for x turns unless the Traveler gets damaged//
- Dream Master (Hume)[Clock]
//Makes allies or enemies sleep, has Nightmare skills, draining hp, can stop time in an area for both enemies and allies//

Summoner
- Swarmer (Arachna)[storage Tank]
    . Locust
//Summons 4 of the 7 plagues, each skill affects the whole enemy party, dealing low damage. A good mechanic I found is pestilence. It is a DoT that increases damage done until the afflicted character hits another for damage. This passes on the pestilence and resets intensity. If pestilence is passed on to a character already afflicted, it will simply gain another stack//
    . Broodmother
//Skills like DotA's Brood//
    . (Corpse Dweller)
//Can enter corpses, being invulnerable and healing a bit, can dwell alive characters, also being invulnerable (thus making use of their movement), explodes corpses for damage//
- Illusionist (Satyr)[Flute]
    . ?
    . Magician
//Real magicians theme, but not with cards, since there is already a Trickster for that... Or maybe yes, idk. But, as a master magician, he can copy the last skill used by his target for this turn//
    . (Reality Bender)
//Banishes enemies for a turn, hallucinates enemies, making them not see what enemies are doing, creates a clone of himself, delays any damage and heal of this last skill target//
- Conjurer (Mummy)[2 Staffs]
    . ~Insert magelike name~
//Makes an enemy take feedback from damage dealt by him, amplifies damage taken, life taps, using his life to heal others, fears enemies shoving them tiles away from the caster//
    . Soul Linker
//Links allies for a different buff for each class, casts reraise//
    . (Curse of Ages)
//Summons mummies for every time an enemy enters or reenters the AoE from the tomb, withers enemies making them deal less damage, heals every time a unit dies near him//
- Beastmaster (Troll)[Whip]
    . Beast Tamer
//Has skills like Ragnarok's homunculus. Not sure what companions he has, but has to differentiate from stuff like the Shapeshifter or the Druid//
    . Enslaver
//Not sure how to differentiate him from Torturer or even Puppeteer, but can leash enemies and push them one tile near, dealing some damage//
    . (Druid)
//Skills like Udyr from DotA//
- Invoker (Hume)[Wand]
//Skills from Final Fantasy Tactic's Summoner//

 

[Andar]

The question is: what do you want from us?


This board is for the RPG-Maker-Series only (it's owned by the company selling it, not a general fanboard), and the question is what maker do you plan to use?


Especially

Im designing a Tactics RPG kind of game, as the title states, meant to be a MMO, PvP oriented.

because RM Ace doesn't even have any online functionality, and while there are some online scripts for the older makers, I really doubt that any of those scripts is up for "massively multiplayer", so unless you have a programming team that has written an multiplayer script for RPGMakers (that is possible, it's just so much work that no one has succeeded yet), you won't be able to use any of the programs supported here...

 

[woltex]

As stated in the opening topic, I want mechanic concepts.

I am using RPG Maker to emulate whatever I can and test numbers and formulas, and that part wasnt there, but Ive already edited.
Any more questions?
@EDIT: Also, calm down, Im still in sketching phase.

 

[hian]

Firstly, if you're going to do this by yourself, you've simply put too much stuff into your concept.

Designing all those races, classes and skills, and balancing them is almost humanly impossible. Consider this, how many mmo's do you know with even half of that content you've outlined here? Non, I'd wager, and those are games made by teams of professionals who can work for 8+ hours a day, 5+ times a week.

If you're just doing this for "emulation" purposes, then you don't need all that content. You'd be wasting your time.

Run your basic parameters, record results in excel, and go do make your game in whatever engine you're actually going to be using.

I dont see what you're supposedly emulating for, since the script language for rpgmakers is pretty minor, and the engine's built in set-up really doesn't translate well into other engines.

Furthermore, if you mean emulating stat growth etc, you don't really need rpgmaker. All you need is a notepad, and a calculator.

If you're actually going to be making a game using rpgmaker though - forget whatever it is you think you want to make now. Go take a look at games already in the making, look at scripts that are already made and see how far you can get with the engine, then sit back down and start thinking of a game.

Thinking of a game first and planning all these features before you know how well you can use your engine, and before knowing its(and your) limitations is a recipe for failure.

This might sound harsh, but in this case it's the truth. The faster you realize this, the faster and more efficiently you'll be able to move on to actually doing something productive with your creativity rather than wasting time on pipe dreams.

 

[woltex]

Huh okay guys... Again, this is the PLANNING phase of my project. Im not asking if its doable or if there are better ways to do it.
Tho I appreciate your concern, what I need is something else. But, if you are not feeling like helping, thats ok, I could try somewhere else.

Anyways, the formulas I would try would be damage formulas. Rather than just staring at numbers, I want to see how those numbers play each other out. I wouldnt know how much is, say, 1k damage on x kit just by looking at it. Eh, pointless discussion I guess?

 

[Andar]

Eh, pointless discussion I guess?

No, it's not pointless - because any game engine is more than simply a damage formula.
Take a look at the following link, that describes PART of the damage flow (the flow chart ignores a few options with magic damage and counter/reflect)


http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/4219-rpg-maker-vxace-damage-flow/


Trying to balance anything with an engine other than the one you want to use is wasted time, because you'll destroy the balance when you later transfer to the engine you want to use.


So you should either select the engine/program first, or accept that any balancing done here will be 99% useless after you leave the planning phase.


Second, ALWAYS start with a small number of balancing options - balancing work is exponentially more work if you have more options. For example, let's say that you need one hour to balance four classes against each other. Then balancing double the number of classes (8) will take you about four hours at absolute minimum. Balancing 16 (four times) classes would need a minimum of sixteen work hours, because there are much more interactions.


Most professional game developers solve that time problem by either limiting their number of classes (there is a reason why most MMO's have only a handfull of classes), or by starting with a limited number of base classes and make the other classes similiar to one of the base classes, thereby requiring only balancing within the class group, not between every class.


And a third comment:


This is an extremely helpfull community, but helping is not only padding your back - it's also telling you when you do something stupid that will only cost time and waste your work. And you need to be able to accept that help, accept that you are doing something wrong, if you ever want to complete your game project.


There are a lot of people on this board that have completed games and that know by experience (and their own past errors) what will work to help you complete the project, and what will cause you to waste your time until you are frustrated and abandon your project.


Follow the link in my signature - most of what is written there is specific to RM, but there are also several tips that go beyond any engine in organising and planning your game project.

 

[woltex]

As a matter of fact, I myself have completed some (EXTREMELY) simple games, bot using RPGM and standard programming. Heck Ive even done some Ragnarok editing.
Im asking for brainstorming. I needed some people that had either more historical culture or different gaming experiences than me (I havent played every rpg there is, after all).
What you are failing to see is that Im NOT yet concerned about balancing. Im still creating the classes concept, the story... Their mechanics... All this arguing or whatever that is came from your not very useful bashing - I mean, you havent even read the first couple words.

Ugh just... Nevermind, okay? Thanks anyways. ):

 

[hian]

Ridiculous.

Firstly, I read your entire post. Secondly, you're not being honest, either to yourself, or to us, either on purpose or because you really aren't aware of what you're doing yourself.

You've edited your post several times post feedback to clarify what you want which was impossible or even apparently counter to the stance that you first held.

First it seemed you were making a game, which we've now clarified you aren't.

Then you say were primarily aiming to emulate features, which we've now clarified isn't really the case.

Now, you're looking for brainstorming.

Firstly, we tell you your project is unworkable or very likely impossible for you alone to make, which is true.

Secondly, we tell you that emulation is pointless if you're not going to be using rpgmaker for development, which is true.

And finally, I told you that brainstorming and feature planning is putting the cart before the horse in game development if you haven't decided what tools you're going to use and your skill-set in relation to your development options.

Besides, this is an rpgmaker development community, and this is a section dedicated to game mechanics pertaining to said community.

My question would be : what did you expect?

Again, why are you brainstorming finer points of gameplay when you haven't even picked a platform, or engine? More so, why are you doing this when you're admittedly not going to use this platform, rpgmaker, for your development?

This isn't the right section for what you're doing.

As it stands, you come off as one of countless insecure kids who come on here with dreams of grandeur, who's looking for affirmation and support for your idea, lacking any real confidence, and expecting people to come through for you, which is why you act so defensively when people provide criticisms, despite it being constructive criticism at that.

We see that all the time, and that's why you won't see anyone come running to post "wow, great idea man! I really wanna be a part of this! Here's some advice and free resources!"

The advice you got, if followed, will save you lots of time and effort, and set you on the path to constructive development.

If you can't see that, or can't handle that, then you probably aren't cut out for this.

This isn't bashing, and nobody here is angry with you, or being mean-spirited - they're merely telling you what they tell everyone else who've come before your saying similar stuff, for the exact same reason. It's a sentiment founded in years of experience.

Take it or leave it.

 

[woltex]

Still dont see whats wrong with being a kid with dreams of grandeur. I dont plan on finishing it tomorrow so Im not even concerned about it taking a LOT of time. Truth is I wanted to plan everything first before picking a platform and yeah, that was wrong, and you were completely right about this being an RPG Maker forum. BUT. The forum itself isnt monetized. And I dont feel like using the software anymore because I feel (might be wrong, I might just prove to be that insecure kid because of that) the community is ****. Now dont get me wrong, this is not my first forums, Im used to bashing and stuff... Its just that this was important to me.
Lastly, I wasnt talking about you with the no reading part.

I just wanted some good ideas from people with different minds from mine. Not lectures.

Sorry again for any inconvenience.

And please close this thread.

 

[hian]

That the forum isn't monetized is irrelevant. I was simply talking about relevance in terms of what you're setting out to do and what kind of forum this is.

Having dreams is important, and good for you for having them. However, once you try to realize them, practicality is a must. Being able to listen and take constructive criticism is another.

Your sentiment about this community is sad. Everybody here receives the same treatment, because this is a place for development, and criticism is integral to that process.

Nobody in this thread has sworn at you, or been rude to you. Whatever I feel about you now was brought about by your complete disinterest in considering what people here had to say, and how defensive you now act.

Personally, I think the community here is excellent. It consists of many helpful individuals with lots of experience, who'll go out of their way to help people like you progress as developers - but as we've said, that does not include special padding from uncomfortable opinions and truth which, as I said, is necessary for people to grow.

If people here shied away from telling people when their plans or products don't work, nobody here would get any better. It's better for you in the long run if you manage to live with that, and don't give up.

Rpgmaker is a wonderful software that has so many opportunities for indie developers. If you wanna quit, that's your choice. I'd advice you to suck it up and stick with it though. You'll find that very rewarding in the end.

The same can be said for this community.

 

[Vinedrius]

If you really think can balance out 50 or so races and 50 or so classes (not even counting in the amount of work needed to work out story, gameplay, music etc.), you are simply delusional no matter what engine or programming language you are planning to use.