COVID-19 a.k.a. coronavirus, let's talk about it.

[CrowStorm]

@Kupotepo

I mean this as kindly as possible and with as much respect as possible, but I don't think that your grasp of the English language is up to fully understanding anything I've said, based on the fact that I have no idea what you are trying to communicate in your post. Not trying to be mean, just I can't understand you and I strongly suspect that correlates with you not having understood me.

Your English is much better than my Thai (not to be confused with Muay-Thai lol; actually, to be clear, read: my Thai is non-existent) which is why I say this with such explicit respect. English is just the lingua franca of these forums, not like the official language or anything as I understand it.

 

[Kupotepo]

@CrowStorm, that is for helping me which would help me improve and sorry for my English words [Please do not worry about hurting my feeling]. The truth is the truth. I am aware of my bad English grammar. How about I will communicate in a direct way; hopefully, it would easy to understand.

When you said "evil capitalism", who do you get mad with? Who should be punished for this idea of evil capitalism? Do you punish an idea and the idea in jail? Or do you suggest people in jail for wrongdoing? It is just a philosophical debate. I agree with your general sentiment.
Another example is there is the acid rain occurs near my house. Do I blame the idea of climate? Or Do I find the source of problems such as too much of the coals is burning near my house and send the report to the local government? Hopefully, they do something about it.
I hope it would be a little better wording then the last post.


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[Larry Jones]

Here in the UK so far, most people are carrying on as normal. This seems different to a lot of countries with “lockdowns” etc. There’s no quarantine edict apart from if you’re symptomatic. Schools, gatherings etc remain open. Personally this seems very sensible to me

 

[The Stranger]

@Larry Jones Still a lot of panic buying, though. The Farmfoods near me was completely bare when I went there this morning. I think this sort of thing, panic buying, is doing a lot of harm. it's preventing people from buying food, which is causing stress. I could only buy food to last for one or two days. It's silly. Gonna check online to see if Tesco or something has stock available.

 

[Kupotepo]

Updated the stocks in the well street is plumped as New York ban gatherings of 50 and people. S&P 500 is down 8% of its price. Also the governor create a curfew which a business should not be opened after 8 pm.

 

[fugahagen]

Why are people buying all the bananas though? They last like 3 days why is everyone so dumb?

 

[HexMozart88]

It's not that they're dumb. Their panic causes them to do dumb stuff. Like buy thousands of roles of toilet paper for a 14-day isolation period.

 

[Tea's Jams]

So here's an interesting update. I called my son's doctor since he seems to have symptoms of Pneumonia now (hard time breathing, persistent dry cough, fever) and I was told he could be swabbed for strep and the flu, but NOT COVID-19!

Don't believe the numbers in the USA, people are being refused testing! They even have a drive through center for it, but you can't go without a doctors order.

What a JOKE.

 

[Finnuval]

@Tea's Jams actually that is becoming standard fast in a lot of places. Here you dont get tested anymore unless in a high risk group or on the Er to preserve tests and testing capabilities for those that 'need' it. So we have 1500 confirmes but estimated 6000 infected. I can understand the reasoning but it is also a bit weird and as a parent myself I can fully understand the Infuriating nature of it.

Anyway hope your son gets well Quick xD

 

[bgillisp]

Here they just told all restaurants to seat all customers 6 feet apart and no more than 25 at a time in a place at once, and to highly encourage takeout orders. It's not an official order, so it remains to be seen if they follow it.

 

[BCj]

@Tea's Jams actually that is becoming standard fast in a lot of places. Here you dont get tested anymore unless in a high risk group or on the Er to preserve tests and testing capabilities for those that 'need' it. So we have 1500 confirmes but estimated 6000 infected. I can understand the reasoning but it is also a bit weird and as a parent myself I can fully understand the Infuriating nature of it.

Anyway hope your son gets well Quick xD

If they're not testing people you can bet it's not 6.000 infected but x10 of whatever what is known right now.
Plenty of people in our country just don't care, and still visit others while they're sick or go out partying. SMH.

 

[Parallax Panda]

Well as for refusing testing. It's been a thing in Japan for a while now. In fact, Japan never really did get into doing a lot of tests from the get go. There's been a bit over ~8000 tests to date I think (on a multi million population, that's nothing).
Sweden, my home country, is doing the same thing. Tests are not being done to the extent that people want them to be done.

I can't help but think this is an intentional strategy to keep people from panicking. If the official numbers are low people and media alike has to refer to those. "we only have x cases so far, no need for panic". And people with mild symptoms (unaware they're infected) will still have to go to work and society and the economy will take less damage.

If you tested EVERYONE, many countries would most likely end up like Italy or worse, because the hospitals would be swamped. People would have to stay home at an alarming rate and things would just... stop working.

But any sensible person should realize that the virus is spreading like crazy. Official numbers, just throw them out the window. How many is really infected is anyone's guess. We'll never know since testing isn't being done.

The 1.5 million city I live in has something like 3 confirmed cases in total.... yeah right. It's a tourist destination and we had a lot of Chinese tourists (still have?) this season. I'd put 3, maybe four zeros after that official number if I were to estimate. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was even more.

As for buying up food and stuff in panic. It's a bit dumb, BUT, you have to realize that when people are panicking the ones who do not go and buy themselves some toilet paper and food are the ones who's going to be suffering.
I don't think it's fair to say everyone is panicking and acting dumb, buying a lot of stuff at the super markets and what not. Some are for sure, but I think the vast majority is simply acting rationally on the situation.

I can see two good reasons to buy a small stock of supplies if you're able to:

1) If you go once to the super market and buy some surplus of whatever you need, then you can self quarantine and AVOID going to the super market every other day which will significantly lower the risk of infection and spread. This is good.

2) You realize that a lot of people are buying up stuff right now all over the world and that if the stores run out of essential goods you want or need, you don't know when next you'll be able to buy them. So you hurry down and buy some surplus. This is not really bad either, unless you go way overboard.

I went down and bought a reasonable amount of "stuff" as soon as I could. My reasoning for doing so was a combination of number "1" and "2".
In my case, reasonable amount was about ~2, maybe 3 weeks of supplies. As well as one backup of each household item such as soap and toothpaste since I don't want to be surprised and forced to go down to the supermarket anyway when they run out. Wouldn't really call that going overboard at all.

If you don't feel it's necessary where you live, that's fine. Maybe it isn't. I just don't want to be caught with my pants down (without toilet paper).

Reasonable precaution and preparedness is best.

 

[HumanNinjaToo]

The company I work for has just imposed a rule of no face-to-face contact with our clients until the virus issue is resolved. We are now sending people links to the video-chat app we use among our offices, so that our clients can meet with their providers from home. Being at work today almost feels like I'm in the beginning of some b-rated zombie movie.

 

[bgillisp]

Brrrrrraaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnsssssssss....

Ok I couldn't resist.

My college just sent us a message that it is online for the rest of the term now.

 

[Finnuval]

@Parallax Panda the problem that arises with stocking up the way it is happening now however is this (this is actually happening in my country right now) : there is plenty of stock and supply the branch organisations have already said so (and we are known hoarders to begin with) however due to ppl overbuying the shelves are empty cause it creates a logistical problem. Ppl buy faster then they can resupply at the moment creating an artificial shortage. This in turn makes it so that those ppl in vital Jobs (doctors, nurses, Police, etc) cant get groceries cause by the time they get to the store everything is empty. This is both silly and inconsiderate in my opinion.

Sure, have some stock but dont go emptying the schelves if there is no real need.


Even with 1000 extra trucks driving every day now ppl Still buy faster then they can resupply the stores. So yeah, that's just dumb.

 

[Matseb2611]

If the real infected numbers are even much higher than reported, then it's even less reason to worry, because it means the death rate is a lot lower than reported (you can't really cover that up well enough) and that most people are barely affected by the virus and that it's not as deadly as we're being led to believe. Viruses are going to spread, we just have to accept it. The milder its symptoms, the faster it's going to spread, because majority of people infected by it do not feel poorly enough to get confined to a bed.
Closing down schools, restaurants, and entertainment centres isn't going to miraculously stop the virus, because people are still going to go out and socialise with each other and go about their daily lives. However, the economic impact of putting our lives on hold for too long is going to be longer-lasting and it will affect absolutely everyone, not just the elderly and the immuno-compromised.

 

[Philosophus Vagus]

Closing down schools, restaurants, and entertainment centres isn't going to miraculously stop the virus, because people are still going to go out and socialise with each other and go about their daily lives. However, the economic impact of putting our lives on hold for too long is going to be longer-lasting and it will affect absolutely everyone, not just the elderly and the immuno-compromised.

That's what I don't get. Restaurants and entertainment industries maybe, but schools closing just means my brother has to find a daycare for his two kids now because he still has to work. And he had to shop around at 5 separate daycares to find one that would take them because they are all over capacity with kids thanks to the schools closing.

Maybe it works out better for people with desk jobs who can work for home or whose work, to put it bluntly doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things so their bosses can just tell them not to come in either but those of us whose jobs involve holding up and supporting infrastructure we can't exactly just have our jobs shut down arbitrarily, or people start to lose the amenities said infrastructure supports. Same thing with the services industry largely, yeah restaurants can shut down but can the grocery stores? Pharmacies? So in the end from where I'm sitting the sudden cancellation of schools and the like doesn't seem like it's going to help most people very much, kids just get shifted from one condensed group to another, because a lot of parents are still having to work. Maybe I'm just missing a piece or two of the puzzle but it seems like an effort in futility at best to me.

 

[bgillisp]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Go play with that, it will show you why we are shutting down like we are. And note also in Italy and even Washington in the US the health care system is already at capacity or over it, which is another reason for this.

 

[Raizen]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Go play with that, it will show you why we are shutting down like we are. And note also in Italy and even Washington in the US the health care system is already at capacity or over it, which is another reason for this.

Perfect! I was going to send this on this exact topic xD.
Even though the forced quarantine was not to spread less in the given environment, it was more because they thought they would be able to contain it, sadly now its global. Its more about the hospitals having space and flattening the curve, than actually containing the disease.

 

[mlogan]

The point of closures isn’t to stop it or eradicate it. The point is too slow it enough that hospitals can accommodate the critically ill. In Italy, because of overcrowding at the hospitals, they have had to issue a mandate that basically dictates how hospitals are to decide who lives and dies. Over 80 are turned away, essentially sent home to die. (Other health factors are taken into account for younger.)

We don’t want to get that point in the US of having to make such decisions.