different damage with different weapon-types

[freebooter]

Hey guys,
I would like to implement the following: I have 3 different kinds of weapon: hit, cut, pierce. Depending on the enemy and the weapon-type the actor uses, the damage should vary.

For example: If the actor attacks an Orc with a pierce weapon he makes normal damage. But if he attacks with the same pierce weapon a skeleton, he makes less damage because pierce is not the optimal weapon against skeletons.

I know that there are many parameters to set in the skills and weapon-tabs. Maybe there is an easy way to implement my idea. But as a noob I just cannot figure it out.

Thanks for your help!

 

[MMMm]

Create three new elements in your project under the types menu. Then assign your new elements to weapons. Then give resistances or weaknesses to these elements to your enemies.

 

[gstv87]

that's exactly the same scheme I have.
pierce does less damage against skeletons (because, bones), golems (because, armor) and magic creatures (because, aether)

you should not only make specific weapon types, but also specific enemy types, such as basic humanoid, basic undead, basic golem, etc.... so that they all share the same resistances and bonus, and when creating new enemies you just copy the properties over from other enemies of the same class.
that way, the players will learn that the same weapon has the same effect against the same enemy type.

 

[freebooter]

Create three new elements in your project under the types menu. Then assign your new elements to weapons. Then give resistances or weaknesses to these elements to your enemies.

Thanks for your quick answer!

 

[freebooter]

that's exactly the same scheme I have.
pierce does less damage against skeletons (because, bones), golems (because, armor) and magic creatures (because, aether)

you should not only make specific weapon types, but also specific enemy types, such as basic humanoid, basic undead, basic golem, etc.... so that they all share the same resistances and bonus, and when creating new enemies you just copy the properties over from other enemies of the same class.
that way, the players will learn that the same weapon has the same effect against the same enemy type.

Sounds like a good idea. How do you set an enemy type?

 

[gstv87]

simply make a group of common features you'd want in a type of enemy, and keep them separated.
if you have to fix an enemy that's failing or doesn't quite fit into the gameplay, you always bring the common properties over, and edit accordingly.

basic undead, with standard resist/weakness and drops



Generic Undead = basic undead + warrior & mage skills and exclusive drops.



Skeleton Archer
Generic Undead minus knight skills & mage skills, plus, can't guard, armed with a bow, and uses archer skills.



other undeads are armed differently, or yield more XP or drops.
my Generic enemies are also built into the gameplay, and they're a mix of mage and warrior.
it's a trick I picked up from the basic code: all events are characters and all characters are characterbase, but enemies are not players, and events are not battlers.

 

[freebooter]

interesting, thanks for that.

 

[SweetMeltyLove]

@gstv87 You could make it even simpler if you use a passive states script (Yanfly has one). Then you just need to make states with the elemental affinities, like an Undead or a Bug state, and add it as a passive to the enemy. This way it's very easy to change numbers later, you only need to change the elements in one state, instead of finding every Undead enemy and changing one by one

 

[gstv87]

I'm using a combination of passive states, custom code, and custom enemies for the whole thing.
it wouldn't just do with "add a plugin for it".

besides,.... I swore I'll never use yanfly.
everyone uses yanfly..... where's the fun on solving the problem if you're just pasting the solution in?
the game will be the same as everyone else's using the same solution.
and, I can list myself in the credits, as opposed to yanfly.

 

[SweetMeltyLove]

I'm using a combination of passive states, custom code, and custom enemies for the whole thing.
it wouldn't just do with "add a plugin for it".

besides,.... I swore I'll never use yanfly.
everyone uses yanfly..... where's the fun on solving the problem if you're just pasting the solution in?
the game will be the same as everyone else's using the same solution.
and, I can list myself in the credits, as opposed to yanfly.

I would if I had infinite time to make my game

 

[freebooter]

Hi guys,
another question concerning the weapons. There is the basic attack-skill with the damage formula, which is used for each weapon. Each weapon the same damage formula. But I would like to distinguish between melee- and shooting-weapon. The damage formula of the first should be based on strength, the second formula on agi.
As I have no experience in scripting I have to ask: is there a way to put kind of "if" - "else" formula inside the damage formula, so that the formula is different for melee- and shooting weapons?
Thanks for your help!

 

[gstv87]

there is a function that returns the default attack skill for everyone.
that's set for every battler (and, actor, indirectly)
you should make another function that would override that, based on actor ID.
it's not hard to do, but it might interfere with plugins if you do it without knowing.

I'll point you towards

Game_BattlerBase.prototype.attackSkillId = function() {
    return 1;
};

which means, "upon request of Attack ID, return 1" which means "point to skill n 1 of the skill list"
that's for everyone, enemies and friendlies.
if you make it return "whatever a notetag specifies", then you can customize that for every actor.

 

[freebooter]

hm... I was thinking of something like to check the element type of the weapon:

IF element-type=gun OR element-type=bow THEN formula_1
IF element-type=slice OR element-type=hit THEN formula_2

Is there a way to do it something like that?

 

[gstv87]

the formula length is limited, so depending on how many checks you need, it might not fit into the formula.
you can rig up a simple fix, by putting a call to a custom function in the formula itself, and use that function (which can be as large as you want) to decide what formula to use.
in that function, you can specify actorIDs, weapon types and whatever combination you want.

as long as you return one number that can be used by the skill formula, you're good.

 

[freebooter]

ok, think I got it. Thanks!

As far as I know the space for damage formula in MV is quite large. So my formula should fit in. My formula no looks like that, but during game test the actor always deals 0 damage.

if (angriffselement=fernkampf or angriffselement=pulverwaffe) a.atk * (100/(100 + b.def)); else a.atk+100;

What is not clear to me is
1) how to deal with the variable "angriffselement". In English I think it's just "element". Do I need to use something like a $-sign?
2) is the syntax of the line correct?
3) does anybody know if "angriffselement" is the right name of the variable in German? Because in the tab "Weapon" it's called "angriffselement" but in the tab "Types" it's called "elemente".

 

[gstv87]

I believe the elements are refered to as listOfElements[number] rather than by name.
also,

a.atk * (100 / (100 + b.def))
   20 * (100 / (100 + 155))
   20 * (100 / 255)  << 0.39 rounds to integer.
   20 * (0) << zero

try
a.atk * (100.0 / (100.0 + b.def))

100.0 would make both results Float numbers, and they'll consider the decimals.
whenever you have a division, make sure one of the operators is Float

 

[freebooter]

Thanks for the hint with the decimals.
Do you know where I can look up the exact command for getting the element-type of a weapon?

 

[gstv87]

do a broad search for elementId in rpg_objects
you'll see it often tied to item().damage since "damage" is also an object... backtrack from there.
it's hard to tell in MV, because items are all related to the database, which is modified by the editor, on the editor's side.
you can't see the call to database.tems.list[ID] because that's coded inside the editor.
you can only see the call to (item.damage) or (the collection of attack elements from weapons) which all refer to the database, which (from the game's point of view) is an established thing.