Does your identity belong to you?

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No! I won't have any more existential dread in my life.

*Rubs his temples and mutters*
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will let it pass over and through me. And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path. When the fear is gone there will be nothing, only I will remain.


Ah, that's better...
 

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Don't think anybody else has my name. I've never heard anyone else with this name, and if they do, they are awesome :cool:
 

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In fairness to what I think is the spirit of the OP, I have seen instances of people online purposefully pretending to be someone they're not. Why? Who knows? Why does anyone do anything?

Why does someone feel the need to lie about their past, their experiences, their qualifications, their education, etc.?

Why do people publicly impersonate police until they get caught?

So I do think it is an interesting question. No, I don't think your given name is your's and your's alone. But take an example of say a very well known and successful social media personality. Who created a very unique identifier. And then someone takes that same identifier and uses it in a manner that hurts the original party. You would think those actions would be a violation of some sort of law, but maybe not.

Anyway, the responses in this thread have been interesting to read at least. :)

Have the awesome day that you deserve and happy game making!
 

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To actually answer the question though. Probably not, but I don't care.

I only care that names are just a kind of noise you make or text you type/write to call me or to get my attention. Yelling "Hey you, come here!" has the same function. A name is just very specific to call me. Let's not forget that someone could also give you a nickname.

So my next question.
if someone gives you a nickname, is it yours? or is it theirs?
 

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You know, now that I think about it more, it was totally an accident but a consequence of having a twin sister is we sometimes get our SSNs mixed up. Obvs doesn’t happen anymore since we’ve been doing the adult thing for awhile now, but the only digit that’s different is the last one. It was corrected immediately but when I was a brand new adult, I may or may not have totally accidentally used my sister’s SSN on my FASFA.

We have the same initials, the same birthday only a minute apart, and almost the same SSNs…it has never resulted in anything dire but we do get each other’s junk mail and robocalls pretty frequently.

Much more innocent, but when your mom dressed you in matching outfits until you were old enough to dress yourself, it’s endless hours of looking through family photos trying to figure out which kid you are.
 

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@Gensun This conversation feels really pointless. How does it affect your life whether or not our user names are our own and why do you care? Not trying to be rude, but talking about this just feels really ridiculous and pointless to me. I'm sorry-it just does.
Does the thread topic bother you, Spyro?
 

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Does the thread topic bother you, Spyro?
No. I was just wondering why we were talking about this when it has nothing to do with anything RPG Maker or videogame related. I'm just-bored. Of course the topic doesn't bother me, but it also doesn't interest me either because I don't care! :smile:
 

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Fortunately we have so many other threads to post on instead when we don’t care for one. :wub
 

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I think everyone puts on a persona to a varying degree in any form of social interaction, except I guess with your family and very close friends.
 

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In fairness to what I think is the spirit of the OP, I have seen instances of people online purposefully pretending to be someone they're not. Why? Who knows? Why does anyone do anything?

I'll attempt to answer these questions:

Why do people online pretend to be someone they're not? Because we're anonymous. Most people typically don't like being who they are (you can take me for example. In real life, I'm pretty agreeable, avoid conflict, am mostly passive, and have a tendency to agree with those around me just so I don't have to deal with them. On the forums, I tend toward the opposite. I'm assertive, only agreeable when someone isn't just saying crap they've parroted from other people, I have a tendency to invite conflict, I'm very active in my life and beliefs, etcetera. We're all pretending to be people we're not. The jerk online may have a heart of gold in real life and be your best friend. You just can't know.).

The usual reasons for "not liking who they are" is just your typical usual things. Lack of status and lack of respect.

It's how things like "Social Justice" work. Now, to be realistic, "Social Justice" is not new. It's been around forever. It's just usually called "Identity Politics". It works the same way Cults do.

There's a bunch of people who want to be seen as "good people" and want "automatic respect" for being those good people, so they buy into the cause. Religious, Political, Social, Moral, whatever. The cause itself isn't important, I'm only using "Social Justice" as a highly visible example in today's Western Societies.

"Identity Politics" typically requires you "signal" to other people of that group that you belong so that you can get the "built in" respect and status that group holds (or you perceive that group to hold). We call it "Virtue Signaling" these days, but it isn't limited to any one political group or any one cause. When the signaling fails, it's called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoTrueScotsman).

"You aren't a member of our group because you don't believe all the exact things you are required to believe to be part of it!".

So, basically, all this "hubbub" just because people want to belong. They want to be part of a group. They want to be seen as better people than they know they are. They want the respect of having the "correct" viewpoint. Of believing all the "correct" things. Of holding all the "correct" morals. Aren't the "thought police" fun to deal with? :D

Most of humanity is "pack bonding". Not everyone needs to pack bond. Not everyone seeks to do so. But, we all need to socialize. I, for one, do not seek to "pack bond" and often avoid it when possible. However, I do need to socialize. I do most of that on these forums (even when nobody is listening or replies, it's enough for me just to be able to imagine someone has read what I thought). I am an exception to the rule. I have friends because those friends have chosen to pack bond with me. I haven't really bonded with them, though I treat them the way you would treat good friends, because I think it's important for me to give things back to the people who value my company.

Anyway, this "wanting to be seen as better than we are" is why people being hypocrites has become the Gold Standard for "ruining" people. Because none of us are being who we are. Even in our real lives, we're pretending to be people we're not. Just to fit in. To get along. To adhere to specific rules that we may not necessarily care that much about or even understand why those rules exist to begin with.

But, there's hypocrisy in even those rules. "Stealing is wrong" goes out the window when it is the only way to stay alive. "Murder is wrong" goes out the window when there are legal reasons to justify the taking of lives (self defense, justifiable homicide due to threat of life or continued abuse, someone is mentally instane, etcetera). These hypocricies are "justified" to many extents.

You'll find that's true of any group. Don't do X unless Y. But, if you do X without Y, then you don't belong. And, we all very much want to belong.

None of us want to be put out in the cold and alone. Not really.

After all, are you really as nice as you portray yourself here? Have you really not maliciously hurt someone? Have you really never blown up at people for their annoying habits, their idiotic behavior, or their penchant for involving you in their problems? Have you really never lashed out irrationally at other people just because?

If you answer "I have never done those things", then I'd be inclined to call you a liar or "not human". Because, we've all done it. But, we all want to pretend we've never done terrible things. We all want to pretend we've never been terrible people. We all want to pretend we've never made mistakes, held the wrong opinion (as in, you can prove it's a detrimental and societally harmful way to think), or unknowingly hurt others.

We hold our sins deep within ourselves and leave them unspoken and unresolved. We pave over them with our new identities. Identities of "I am not a bad person". Probably why depression is on the rise. Nobody allows anyone to just BE HUMAN anymore. We all hold each other to such crazy high levels of moral obligations and don't allow people to make mistakes, and be wrong, or ignorant. We can't even allow ourselves to be wrong, or ignorant, or make mistakes. We can't even allow ourselves to be immoral from time to time.

That's the long explanation of why people pretend to be other people.

Why does someone feel the need to lie about their past, their experiences, their qualifications, their education, etc.?

Clout. Reputation. Respect.

Are you more likely to take my opinions on game design more seriously if I have published a game, rather than having never published one? Are you more likely to do what I say in game design if my game was universally popular, than if it had flopped?

People are prone to following "authority". They listen to authority. They dismiss anyone they aren't submissive to. Anyone they don't respect.

Also known as "Cassandra Truth".

These sorts of lies exist to make you inherently "more trustworthy" and to put you in a position of "authority".

It's also typically why I dismiss ANYONE who tries to use "authority" as an argument. Because, F You, this is the internet, you can claim to be anyone and have done anything, and just because crap worked out for you, doesn't mean you knew anything about it. Sometimes, morons just get lucky. You need to prove to me you're not a lucky moron. You aren't going to do it with a PhD real or imagined. You're going to do it by having to prove you're right.

There's a reason it's a common trope that "the people in charge are morons and disconnected from reality" is a thing. Everyone has had a boss who doesn't know crap. Or many bosses that don't. We've all had people in charge who are absolute idiots. So, with the knowledge that "most people in charge tend to be dumb as rocks", why are humans still prone to believing anyone in charge? Or anyone who claims to have expertise?

Because people are just prone to following authority and listening to it. It's easier to listen and follow than have to question everything and come to your own conclusions. Path of least resistance.

So, people lie about their past, their experiences, their qualifications, etcetera.

Plus, you also have that weird "gatekeeping" thing now.

"There's no way you can have an opinion on female reproductive rights, you aren't a woman, therefore you aren't qualified to speak on them!"

Yeah, it's common across topics, that form of gatekeeping. It's safe to dismiss anyone who spouts anything like that as a moron and move along, because they are. A person doesn't have to experience murder to judge people who murder. A person doesn't have to experience assault to judge people who assault others. A person doesn't have to lose a child to judge those who take the lives of children. If they did, there'd be a lot more echo-chambers and justice would no longer be blind, but based upon emotion rather than facts and logic.

Why do people publicly impersonate police until they get caught?

Power, mostly. Probably also the rush of "potentially getting caught". I'd wager it's a mix of exhibitionism and sadism.
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Dear Everyone who doesn't have time for another one of Tai's long winded posts but still has enough curiosity to want to know wtf he is going off about:
The lengthy reply discusses various reasons why people pretend to be someone they're not online. The writer begins by explaining that anonymity allows individuals to adopt different personas, contrasting their real-life personalities with their online behavior. The desire to belong to a group and be seen as a "good person" motivates individuals to engage in identity politics or social justice causes, seeking respect and automatic recognition for their beliefs. The writer highlights the concept of virtue signaling and the tendency to exclude those who don't conform to the group's exact beliefs—a phenomenon known as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
The reply also delves into the human need for socialization and the pursuit of pack bonding. However, the writer personally avoids pack bonding and finds solace in online forums for social interaction. The desire to be perceived as better than one truly is contributes to the prominence of hypocrisy in society. People often strive to hide their mistakes, wrong opinions, and past misdeeds, leading to unresolved internal conflicts and potentially contributing to the rise of depression. Society holds individuals to high moral standards, making it difficult for people to be human, make mistakes, and be forgiven.
The reply then explores the notion of clout, reputation, and respect. People tend to follow authority and dismiss those they don't respect, which leads some individuals to lie about their qualifications and experiences to establish themselves as authorities. The writer rejects arguments based on authority and emphasizes the importance of proving one's expertise. The tendency to believe in authority figures despite their frequent incompetence is attributed to the human inclination to follow the path of least resistance rather than questioning and forming independent conclusions.
The reply concludes by mentioning the allure of power and the potential thrill of being exposed for one's deception. It also mentions the existence of gatekeeping, where individuals assert that only those with specific experiences or identities are qualified to speak on certain topics. The writer dismisses such gatekeeping as nonsensical, arguing that one doesn't need firsthand experience to judge certain actions.
Overall, the reply provides an extensive exploration of the motivations and factors behind people pretending to be someone else online, including the desire for belonging, social recognition, and the pursuit of power.

The reply explores why people pretend to be someone else online. It discusses the influence of anonymity and the tendency for individuals to adopt different personas online compared to their real-life selves. The desire to belong and be seen as a "good person" leads people to engage in identity politics and virtue signaling. Pack bonding and socialization are important for most people, although the writer personally avoids pack bonding and finds solace in online forums. The prevalence of hypocrisy is highlighted, along with the pressure to conform to high moral standards, which can contribute to rising levels of depression. The significance of clout, reputation, and the inclination to follow authority figures is mentioned, as well as the tendency for some individuals to lie about their qualifications and experiences to establish themselves as authorities. The reply also addresses gatekeeping, where people assert that only those with specific experiences are qualified to speak on certain topics. The allure of power and the thrill of potentially being exposed for deception are additional factors mentioned.

We all love you Tai, never change.
 

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@Tai_MT Well, they were rhetorical questions because I have my own thoughts and beliefs of why people do what they do. But thanks for sharing your thoughts as well. :)
 

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@TheAM-Dol I couldn't, even if I tried :D Thanks for the summary, though... I feel like it's only half as long as what I typed. It could probably be better summarized. :D Just out of curiosity... what happens if you run the summary through the AI Summary thing?

@ZombieKidzRule I'm using the psychological and sociological reasoning behind why people do those things. My own opinions are a bit different for many of those topics (and mostly include the fact that most people just aren't taught to have basic levels of curiosity anymore, or how to handle criticism).
 

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Just out of curiosity... what happens if you run the summary through the AI Summary thing?
One step ahead of you, there is an additional spoiler tag within the main spoiler tag containing a summary of the summary. You know you've reached peak waffling when the summary needs a summary.
 

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Ha ha, sorry, I missed it. I was reading it when you typed that reply. I was like, "how'd I miss that there was a second spoiler in here?". The penalty for skimming the posts. I've fallen victim to my own hubris.
 

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i got a common gov name but my handle kaukusaki is pretty unique and i'm the only one with it in the digital universe so yay. as for the pic, that's as close to the real me you'll get (i don't have purple eyes tho)
 
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