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[The Prince of Sarcasm]

Does anyone no of a good rpg maker game for Christians. It doesn't have to be a said Christian game just ok for Christians to play. My expectations would be that there is no magic/ sorcery or enchantment like stuff. It can't have ghosts or spirits and stuff like that. The problem with most rpg maker games is that all playable-characters can do some sort of magic.

P.S. if you've seen "Gods Not Dead" tell me what you think about it. I want to see it but haven't yet.

 

[Solo]

I don't have anything to contribute, but I just want to say, please be prepared in case people decide to say something mean.

And I would plead for any further posters to act civil and respect each other's differences...

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

thanks for the warning but if people want to make fun or be rude to me that is there problem, not mine.

 

[Alexander Amnell]

   Why limit yourself in such a way? The bible itself validates the existence of spirits and even tells of a soothsayer that channeled the dead before Saul. (granted, some biblical scholars have proclaimed that said soothsayer was a fraud and that the context of the verses in question have been skewed throughout the years, but that opens up a whole new can of worms in terms of discussion.) As for magic; you cannot really conceptualize magic as it is represented in most video games with that of a biblical form of condemned sorcery, they just aren't the same concepts and shouldn't be looked at as such. From the biblical standpoint such 'heresies' were condemned because they took one's faith away from 'a jealous God' and put it into either a man, a spirit or really anything else that one could look to for guidance.

   The magic in your standard fair game isn't meant to do this, it is used as a tool in most cases, often a replacement for science to allow the game to have more modern-ish themes to it in a semi-ancient setting without it coming off as to strange. Discernment is a good trait to have, but you shouldn't shut yourself off from everything that isn't in 100% agreement with your personal belief systems, it's a practice in futility that will most likely end with you finding something contradictory that you can't shut your eyes to and having a crisis of faith. The more that you understand, the less likely such crisis are, if you are confident in your faith then there should be no fear of learning all you can about the beliefs of others in general, just avoid things that are openly hostile or inherently against your beliefs at least until you have that kind of confidence. That said, if you really want to take the view of all modern representations of magic being on equal ground with the sorcery of biblical days then you really shouldn't be playing video games in the first place, as televisions, computers and consoles can all easily be placed into the biblical definition of a 'false idol', more so even than most of the idols that existed within the span that they were being condemned and recorded. discern for yourself what is right and what is wrong, arbitrary guidelines without experience will lead to nothing but confusion and apathy later on.

   As for your question, I cannot think of any offhand that fully fit that criteria; though I'd suggest 'Punch Bears' for one, though it is short the entire game takes place within the protagonists mind and doesn't feature magic, just punching. Then maybe Star Stealing Prince or Enleysion (neither of which fit the criteria mentioned, but also have nothing against Christianity and really have very few if anything in them that most Christians would be offended by.) 

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

I would disagree on many accounts.

1. I try to stay away from depictions of spirits that aren't from a Christian perspective, because I believe that the bible is true and I don't want to fill my life with stuff that isn't true and can give me messages to question the bible.

2. Sorcery is just an older word for magic, and if the bible says that sorcery is evil it also means that magic is evil.

3. I don't consider playing video games learning about other religions because most religions in video games are made up to fit the game's plot/ story line.

4. I also believe that video games can be considered false idols  unless they come between you and god.

 

[Alexander Amnell]

1. perspective is important, if you refuse to see anything beyond a complementary viewpoint you endanger yourself of becoming overly polarized/radicalized. Many people have ended up distorting their own beliefs down such a path, the larger your blinders are the less you can see whether or not you are even staying true to your initial beliefs.

2. It isn't just the word that is different, the concept and it's purpose within the game is different. Biblical sorcery generally going by translation means associating oneself with demons in some way; either that or it's portrayed as a sham. It sounds to me as if you don't truly understand what the Christian opposition to 'sorcery' is. Perhaps before deciding what games are 'acceptable' you should study your beliefs a bit more in depth. By such narrow logic anything that isn't focusing on god = evil, and if that is true then the very nature of a video game is heresy, along with technology in general. Work, Pray, Eat and sleep; that's all that's left untainted, if you accept that then fine. If not then figure out exactly what it is that you do accept and go from there, being so hesitant because you don't want to experience a 'message to question the bible' is usually a sign that you don't know enough about your beliefs to risk having them tested in the first place. I believe it's in First Peter that the bible refers to having your faith tested in a trial of fire so that you may become purified, comparing it to the way a furnace purifies gold yet affirming that such purified faith is even more valuable than the gold itself. Not everything outside of the bible is harmful for you, you obviously already believe that or you wouldn't be here right now.

3. I never said anything about other religions, I talked of opening yourself up to learning the personal beliefs of other people. Especially in rpgmaker games where the development team is so small (if there even is a team) many games have a lot of personal beliefs bleed through whether that was the intent of the developer or not. You can learn a lot more than you would think by observing how other people portray certain situations in games and closing yourself to anything that isn't immediately recognizable by your dogma will shut you out of a lot in life.

4. See 2. 

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

Ok thank you for your opinions, now whether if you think I am correct or not those are the things I would like to find in a game and if you don't know a game like that then you don't have to post on this topic anymore. I still think magic is evil  because it is a power from Satan and you won't get me to change my mind.

 

[Solo]

I am going to try really hard to be deft about this...
 
The word "magic" as it is used in most games is ambiguous, sort of like Alexander said. It doesn't necessarily connote to real-world ritual magic(k). You could think of it in terms of manipulation of the forces of nature. And going by Christian doctrine, what is the core of Nature itself? That would be God. In that sense, you could think of "magic" as communion with God, to channel the divine power of nature.
 
Anything can be demonized. Be careful about that.

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

I guess I would just disagree with you. I am a fairly conservative Mennonite, and I like to stay away from all types of magic just because the bible says to, and better safe than sorry anyways.

p.s. I'm sorry if I offended you, I am not trying to condemn  you if you like games with magic. I you like games with magic that's your deal I would just like to stay away from it.

 

[Solo]

p.s. I'm sorry if I offended you, I am not trying to condemn  you if you like games with magic. I you like games with magic that's your deal I would just like to stay away from it.

I wasn't offended. Everyone has the right to live as they choose. We just need to be careful about respecting other peoples' beliefs, values, and personal convictions. That doesn't necessarily equate to embracing them, but it usually means keeping silent instead of arguing about it (I'm not saying that's what you've done, I'm just saying, period), and it works both ways.

 

[Ksi]

As a Christian who believes in the Bible, I'm quite open to questioning my beliefs and have no issue with fantasy - that is, the depiction of magic, magical beasts and the like. It's partly a way to test myself but also because I know what it real and what is not. Do I believe in ghosts and spirits? Not a bit. Will I watch a show with them in it? If I like the idea, sure. Then again, I'm pretty stubborn and my faith doesn't really waver because of that, soo... XD

(Also, I'm flexible. If science discounts a piece of my beliefs, then there must be something that I don't have the answer to in my religion yet. There's an explanation out there, I just don't have the facts to make the connection so I basically say 'Okay science. You and me, we aren't mutually exclusive. There's an answer out there that makes us both fit together so I'll just trust your truth and still believe in my truth too. I don't know it all but hey, you're the one with the degrees in what is. We can both exist at the same time, no fuss. There's some answer out there for it and I'm sure it'll be found eventually. Just gonna trust you and religion both for now.")

That said, there are a few games that I'm sure you can play though finding ones without anything fantastical in them will be hard. More modernistic games might suit you better, some sci-fi and perhaps ones that focus on human condition rather than religion.

Alter AILA might be worth checking out, from what I recall. It's sci-fi but I can't recall there being religion or any kind of ghosts since it was set in a dystopian future. Skills are based on weaponry, not magic.

I'd recommend Leo and Leah, but there may have been a section in there about a ghost (it's about lion cubs finding each other and is cute as anything!)

Hm... Castle Chase is a dating simulation where you're a princess who meets different people in your home castle. It's innocent enough to pass the Christian test.

There's a lot of puzzle games around. Pengui follows a penguin through icy puzzles and it's cute.

Crazy Vet and Zero's Impossible Fortress are two other decent puzzle games.

Oh, Sunset Over Imdahl is a must! It doesn't deal with religion or spells or anything of the like... though there is time travel. Hm... I'd still recommend it since it's one of the best games out there.

Pirates: Legend of the Silver Crescent would be okay, too. Pirate penguins in search of treasure. I don't recall there being anything supernatural within.

To be frank, I think that knowing magic isn't real and recognising that is enough. You know it's not real, a game isn't going to change your mind about that. :/

 

[Kes]

There is a game called Vastar released by (I think) Exodus Studios, which is (I think) a specifically Christian based developer.

 

[Ellie Jane]

Wouldn't the presence of violence be far more against Christianity than the presence of magic? I doubt you'd find many games out there that didn't employ it in some form given RPG Maker by default is set around a battle system.


As for things that aren't true, this is a creative medium not the reference section, everything is made up by its very nature.

 

[Shaz]

Let's stay away from questioning someone's beliefs or getting them to justify/explain them, and just see if we can provide what was actually requested.


OP - are you content to play games with battles (violence) as long as they don't use magic or have occult content? Or would you prefer something that doesn't use any kind of battle system at all and is just story based, avoiding those stated themes as well?

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

Minimal violence is ok. In the old testament God told the Israelites to destroy entire nations including all their livestock. In real life I don't believe in picking a fight but I do believe in self defense. I just try to stay away from occult activity because it is real, (I know someone who is a wiccan.) and that it is evil ad not from God.

 

[Omega Weapon]

Just curious, not intending to insult you or anything:

What is your opinion on paladins, clerics, priests, healers and such in RPGs? The people who use their 'divine gift' to help those in need, mostly in healing and slaying demons and other evil?

I'd say they are not really into the occult arts, let alone are evil.

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

M y belief is that any type of supernatural power that is not specifically from God is from Satan. And if you are using Satan's power you can't really be doing good. Most other people don't see it that way. I do believe in real life God gives us spiritual gifts, like the gift of teaching or healing, but that those gifts are to be used for God's glory and not ours. I do believe that there are angels and demons out there, but I try to stay away from perspectives that I believe to be wrong.

P.S. you probably think I am weird, that is ok I m fairly conservative and even people at my church disagree with me.

 

[whitesphere]

I would do a few things:

- Call them Divine Blessings instead of Magic, and make them require specific conditions to activate, and specific conditions to lose.  Sort of like Samson had super strength until he disobeyed God's rules...

 

[Solo]

That's just the key, if you don't like the word "magic," just use a different term for it.

It can apply to more than healing and blessings as well. Remember how Elijah called down fire from Heaven to set his altar alight? And the plagues of Egypt! Goodness! Not to mention the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah...

The great thing about RPG Maker is that, if you'd like to see something but it doesn't exist, you can always create it yourself!

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

The changing terms and stuff you were saying before is actually what I am doing in the game I am making. I was just wondering if you know of any games without magic?