Have an idea but the game will be too much for me alone...

[hiddenone]

@Jupiter_Jazz , please avoid double posting, as it is against the forum rules. You can use the "Edit" function on your posts to add additional information you've forgotten or respond to multiple people. You can review our forum rules here. Thank you.

If you have something you want to add, please just edit your post instead of making a triple-post.

 

[Kes]

and especially really good ideas, which are expressed through a body of work

You have just proved Andar's point. These are not "just" ideas - they are ideas which have been worked on and brought to fruition. And it is that work which has made the idea valuable.

 

[Jupiter_Jazz]

No, I would say the idea had value upon it's conception. The work connectively increases the value of the idea while facilitating its availability. The idea becomes more as it is worked upon. Everything is ideas, or related to ideas - is dependent upon ideas. Using or not using certain ideas requires ideation. Social constructs are ideas. Liberty is an ideal - based on ideas. Without ideas everything stops. And people ironically use ideas to stifle others imagination. It's a paradoxical patchwork stitched with arrogance and judgement, tugging you every which way through a matrix of uncertainty.

 

[matulda]

So, as you see, jupiter didnt say it was worthless, rather the opposite! Anyway, I decided to do my own thing so not very active here. I decided to pick the raisins from good advices here and I am happy for your advices jupiter You made good points that I like, to me, again, I find it more humiliating that people judge your knowledge from how long you have been active on the forum rather than on your knowledge.

Andar, If you are a veteran in the forum, you know all about making games? Or do you know more about how to put so called new people down? Or is it a revenge cause yourself was putted down in the beginning? Or is it so simple as you write a lot of comments and then you get veteran status? Sorry, but I think the latest is most true, so show your games and show how succesful they are, then I might start listening!

And OT, its fine to put links to your own games, but not to links that I actually asked for?

 

[hiddenone]

Pretty much everyone on the forum is full of ideas, but without the skill or drive to take those ideas and make a game with them then the ideas aren't all that useful. Does the fact I have a bunch of ideas for games automatically make them worthwhile? Nope, since I don't have the time to make the games from all those ideas I'd consider those ideas pretty much worthless.

No one is sitting at their computer laughing at someone for having an idea, most of them are just concerned that that person will make the same mistakes they did when starting out. (Also, most new forum member are new to the engine, so unless they show up with a completed game it's usually safe to assume they're relatively new to rpg maker)

@matulda Veteran is just a level that gives access to the Classifieds section, and is gained by being active on the forum. That's all it means.

I'm not sure what you mean by people putting links to their games, since I haven't noticed anyone doing that. But this is the General Discussion section which isn't meant for project-specific help, so if you need help finding something like a plugin you'll need to post in the correct section.

 

[matulda]

Sorry, but you do the same, you put links to your resources and that is fine to me, I like your resources My question was more over that jupiter putted a link to multiplayer and that was not ok. And then I saw another one had links to the games he/she made and that is also ok. But when jupiter putted out a link to a multiplayerlink , he got a comment that it wasnt ok cause this is a discussion forum.

And so far I havent seen one link from andar over his games, so ofc I get a bit curious over that, what games has he made that makes him so special here that he has the right to judge over other people? As jupiter said, he has a lot of experience in making games but he is just a newbie in this forum and get cutted down immediately.

Or is it ok if you put it in your profile? So it shows under your comment?

 

[Andar]

Andar, If you are a veteran in the forum, you know all about making games? Or do you know more about how to put so called new people down? Or is it a revenge cause yourself was putted down in the beginning?

As said, the veteran status has nothing to do with anything, especially as you get it with 30 posts.

I have done more to help new users around here than a lot of other people - just check how many other users link to my "starting point for beginners" in their signature.
But "Helping a new user" is not the same as agreeing to anything they say - quite on the contrary, a lot of people need to be told if they do something wrong before they continue in the wrong direction and then fail completely.

In the case of Juppiter_Jazz I see it as he has basically confirmed my own statements and now tries to defend his originally false statement.
An idea in itself is absolutely worthless - it only gains worth by people putting work into it to refine it. Those hours put into it - that is what give the idea any worth.
If you don't agree, show me someone that purchases ideas that are unrefined and undetailed - you'll never find someone that does. They will all require you to put some work into it to refine and prove the idea first.
And that (showing someone who purchases unrefined ideas) is something no one has done yet - even jupiter has only repeated his opinion that ideas have value despite the fact that he already confirmed that you need to work on an idea before it can be shown to anyone as having any worth.

And that is not only true for game making, it is true everywhere in all creative areas. If you for example go to a writers composium and ask there, everyone will tell you that the most important thing a new writer has to learn is the ability to take rejections and continue writing.
That is exactly because you need to put work and working experience into the story, no one will find a new story good enough to buy without it being refined by work into it.
And believe me, writing a story is a lot easier than developing a game.

And about "putting people down"?
I have absolutely no interest in what other people do with their time. And I don't care in the least if they think they are kings or not. That is even medically proven (look up "Asperger Syndrome"). I don't even try to remember who I wrote to on this forum because I have no interest in them as people.
What interests me is to make sure that they don't waste their own time with misconceptions or with things that will never work, so that they can concentrate on the elements that can work and get their projects finished.
If they can't take the truth after each of their friends always said they were the kings, then they would have no chance to complete anything worthwhile either. The internet is already littered with ruins of incomplete RPG-Maker Games, and if anything I say (which is usually in a very nice form unless I have a bad day or some people are refusing to understand that they are wrong) can drive them away from any creative work, then they wouldn't have a chance to complete it anyway.

EDIT:
And about being a newbie here - have you really checked my profile and its numbers? The last time someone asked if I was a newby a good part of the community lol'd

 

[hiddenone]

Sorry, but you do the same, you put links to your resources

Oh, you mean signatures? Those appear under ever post if the person makes a signature, so it doesn't have anything to do with the post itself. There's an option in your preferences to hide them if they bother you. But as I mentioned, this isn't the section for asking for project-specific help, so Jupiter_Jazz linking a plugin isn't the purpose of this section (that would be for a thread in the JS Plugin Request section).

 

[matulda]

Ok, to both of you Yes, I meant the signatures, to me they are the same as links And to andar, thank you for telling over aspergers, I do know about it (one of my sons has it). But it is different for everyone. And yes, I have seen your page and now that a lot of ppl appreciate it, for me its more over the fact that you actually do put ppl down without knowing if the are good gamemakers or not. For me that has nothing to do with truth or not cause you really dont know?

 

[Andar]

For me that has nothing to do with truth or not

That is where we differ.
Even the best game maker can make mistakes or be wrong, and anyone who believes that people should ignore his mistakes because he has done something better in the past especially need to be told that he is wrong. Because there are more than enough true newbies who get the impression that just because King XY has said something it needs to be the perfect solution to be obeyed without questions.
And that is simply wrong.
I can admire someone without being blinded to his mistakes - and I expect the same from anyone else. It has happened in the past that I've been wrong, and in those cases I always corrected myself and made sure that anything that followed from my mistakes was cleared as well. And that is what I expect from others if I tell them they are wrong - to check their facts instead of guessing on opinions.
So no, I will tell anyone if they were wrong independently of how many games they created, because creating games is not proof that they are always right.

If you want to know some of the things I base my answers on: Master's degree in Computer Sciences with 10 years of experience in advanced computer support (I really know what can and can't work in a computer), and I was one of the two people who translated VXAce into German (And I went really deep into the code on that work to get several wrong help texts corrected) and a few other things (Check the reason for my only award on this forum for example).

 

[matulda]

I also have a degree in computer science. So, again, which
games have you made?

 

[bgillisp]

@matulda : Doesn't matter, no one cares what games person x has made as it is not relevant to this discussion. We say what we do based on our experience here on the forums, and there are many things we can say because 100% of the time it has gone the way we say it will.

Also, since this thread has deviated from the original purpose and is starting to get a little hostile, I'm locking it.