Help Picking a New Laptop, plz!!! XD

[_Shadow_]

You can do a lot with an integrated chipset. 

Keeping in mind that dedicated gcards are better, yes, I can agree with you that they don't suck big time.

I mean you can say they suck compared to other gcards of today.

But when it comes on what theses things can do, it is value for money.

As I said such tech makes a laptop cheaper anyway

 

[Bastrophian]

Ok...i was researching the AMD graphics thing, and i came across this term....what is a "ExpressCard slot" and how would i know if this laptop had one. Would it be in the specs, if it did?

 

[Engr. Adiktuzmiko]

I suggest just find a laptop with a dedicated card already included, rather than trying to look for cards externally. Are you trying to put your own card into the laptop?

 

[Gothic Lolita]

Ok...i was researching the AMD graphics thing, and i came across this term....what is a "ExpressCard slot" and how would i know if this laptop had one. Would it be in the specs, if it did?

PCIe are only available on Tower PC's. Laptop allways running on integrated graphic chips.

If you have a low budget AMD is allways the best choice.

I could link to a benchmark comparrison, with only the apu / cpu on it. (\s/)

 

[Bastrophian]

@Adiktuzmiko- No, not really, i was just looking through the specs of the laptop in the link, and trying to gain a better understanding. I read someone mention ExpressCard slots earlier here, then i ran into it again while looking things up. I was just wondering what it was. 

Anyway, this one had AMD graphics, so its not integrated right?...

 

[Engr. Adiktuzmiko]

@Ayu - we use the term integrated to mean graphics processing that uses the same memory as the RAM instead of a dedicated one. Which is why they are considerably weaker than most same generation dedicated graphics cards


yes, even dedicated graphics GPUs are "integrated" on a laptop, in the sense that it's included in it and wouldn't possibly be changeable. But that's not what Integrated GPU means. Those GPUs even if in a sense are "integrated", they are still Dedicated rather than Integrated.

A dedicated GPU is not necessarily removable, nor does it necessarily interface with the motherboard in a standard fashion. The term "dedicated" refers to the fact that dedicated graphics cards have RAM that is dedicated to the card's use, not to the fact that most dedicated GPUs are removable.

@death - Look at the card itself and look it up on the internet. AMD also has Integrated GPUs (AMD APU)


PS: I just learned today that PS4 and XBOX One apparently uses custom chips made from 3rd-gen AMD APU.

 

[Gothic Lolita]

@Ayu - we use the term integrated to mean graphics processing that is integrated with the motherboard or the whole chipset and uses the same memory as the RAM. Which is why they are considerably weaker than most same generation dedicated graphics cards

yes, even dedicated graphics GPUs are "integrated" on a laptop, in the sense that it's included in it and wouldn't possibly be changeable. But that's not what Integrated GPU means. Those GPUs even if in a sense are "integrated", they are still Dedicated rather than Integrated.

An Laptop allways has integrated graphics, or on board. But in that specific model, it's in the CPU itself, called APU.

But non the less, AMD has a really great performance for low price parts. Intel costs most time the double price, but give you the half of AMD.

Intel is only good, if you have a dedicated graphic chip, like the NVIDIA GTX960M.

The apu's of AMD are double as fast then the HD graphics of the Intel CPU's. (\s/)

 

[Helladen]

AMD makes the best laptop and PC budget APUs. Intel processors are more precise than AMD though. APUs are GPU/CPU combined together.

 

[Gothic Lolita]

AMD makes the best laptop and PC budget APUs. Intel processors are more precise than AMD though. APUs are GPU/CPU combined together.

Intel i3, i5 and i7 series all have integrated graphics too, but they only give the half fps of AMD.

For example:

AMD A10 7850K @ Battlefield 4 on medium settings 1080p => 59 - 64 FPS

INTEL i7 4770K @ Battlefield 4 on low settings 1080p => 20 - 28 FPS

With low budget it's allways AMD, believe me. Intel is only interresting if you got a budget of 750 - 1.000$, but that goes for towers. Laptops are mostly a bit more expensive. (\s/)

 

[Engr. Adiktuzmiko]

If you'd go hardcore, high-end gaming, it is suggested to really have a dedicated graphics card on there. Most higher-end Intel laptops ship together with an NVIDIA card. Basing from reviews around the net though, AMD's don't work as well as Intel on these cases.


Personally though, I have no problems playing games with my Intel i3 laptop which uses only Intel HD.

 

[Gothic Lolita]

Personally though, I have no problems playing games with my Intel i3 laptop which uses only Intel HD.

Well, I'm sure it can fit's many persons, but I allways get for max details, 1080p and 16x AF and 4x AA.

That's not really possible with low end parts, not really aiming 60 FPS, but at least I want 30 FPS.

And I really don't want to say HD graphics of INTEL are bad, because it's still playable with 20 - 30 FPS, but AMD is more powerfull with higher settings and get 60 FPS. (\s/)

But Intel with NVIDIA is best combination you can get, even the most expensive. :/

Best AMD combination would be the FX 8350, FX 8370E or A10 7850K and a R9 270 or above.

For laptops you mostly need to add an M for graphic chips. And the A6 you have there are allmost the fastest of AMD APU's.

So you should really stay with it and buy the Wallmart one. Windows 8.1 is made for the future, because DirectX 12 will come only for Windows 8 and above.

I really don't recommend to still buy Windows 7, because Windows 8 is as good as 7. Only 2D games sometimes have a framedrop to 20 - 25 FPS, but 3D games will get a boost of 10 - 20 FPS. /)

 

[Bastrophian]

Yeah, i'll just have to see then. I looked up some at newegg and they look like their still basically out of my price range...i think the one in the link is the best one ive found so far, even if it is from walmart . I like the price, and  that i can put more ram in it if i needed to. Ive looked at the reviews and the complaints are mostly about how fragile it is, especially around the hinges, and also there were some complaints about damages while shipping, all were refunded. High gaming specs are not a must for me. I just need something decent that i can travle with (i dont have a set living arrangement at the moment) but that might be a problem with how fragile it apparently is....   

 

[_Shadow_]

Ok don't get confused. The grapghics card is always Integrated on the motherboard of the laptop.

But Intel integrated card is just a basic one, while reading it has an Nvidia or AMD (AMD bought the old ATI brand) means it has a really better card than a basic one. Thus reading it has an AMD or an Nvidia, means it is better.

AMD makes the best laptop and PC budget APUs. Intel processors are more precise than AMD though. APUs are GPU/CPU combined together.

True.

When it cones to Tower builds Nvidia can compete AMD easiliy. 

When it comes to laptops, the chipset integration of the CPU and GPU (same company) sky rockets performance. 

PCI Express is a slot on the motherboard of a Tower PC, that allows fast data flow. 

It is not available on a laptop, since the chips are on the motherboard.

Press spoiler for pictures.

Spoiler

On a tower motherboard:

On the next picture we see a laptop motherboard with an ATI (AMD) graphics card

 

[Helladen]

Dedicated GPU cards are only worth it for PC, the big ones that Nvidia makes. I do not suggest Nvidia for a laptop, AMD is just better at making small GPUs. APUs are way better than buying a CPU and GPU separate, especially for budget concerns.

 

[Engr. Adiktuzmiko]

Though you don't really buy a separate GPU for a laptop, as the laptop comes bundled with it anyway. Be it intergrated or dedicated GPU, it still ships with the laptop itself. But yeah, a laptop with a dedicated GPU costs a higher than one using pure Integrated GPU. Since of course, the included dedicated GPU is still an additional full piece of hardware inside the laptop.

Here in our country, the price difference for an intel using laptop which uses only Intel HD and one that uses an NVIDIA or ATI card would be around $50.

 

[_Shadow_]

Though you don't really buy a separate GPU for a laptop, as the laptop comes bundled with it anyway. Be it intergrated or dedicated GPU, it still ships with the laptop itself. But yeah, a laptop with a dedicated GPU costs a higher than one using pure Integrated GPU. Since of course, the included dedicated GPU is still an additional full piece of hardware inside the laptop.

Here in our country, the price difference for an intel using laptop which uses only Intel HD and one that uses an NVIDIA or ATI card would be around $50.

Absoulitely right! I have nothing to add really.