I have a problem with RM VX Ace Lite

[Kamillo]

I'm sorry for my english. I come from Polish.

I have a problem with text messages in RPG Maker VX Ace Lite. When I want enter letter "ą" (right alt+a) RPG Maker selects all text and letter "ą" not be add. From other people, I know that this problem is also in full RPG Maker VX Ace version. Oldest version RPG Maker don't have this problem.

Can I hope that this problem will repair?

 

[Andar]

this isn't that easy to repair as it needs reprogramming of the command keys...


file a technical support ticket, this needs to be directed to the programmers, no one here on the forum can solve this.


Please add more info when making that ticket, including what happens with Ctrl-A, Alt-A (left Alt) and Alt Gr-A (right Alt), as they need to find a way to seperate the letter from the command sequence...

 

[Kamillo]

RPG Maker VX Ace "ą" - only with this letter is this problem.

left alt+a - nothing

both ctrl+a - selects all text

right alt+a - selects all text (incorrectly)

both ctrl+left alt+a - nothing (incorrectly)

both ctrl+right alt+a - selects all text (incorrectly)

Oldest version RPG Maker (for example RM95) and Windows Notepad

left alt+a - nothing

both ctrl+a - selects all text

right alt+a - "ą"

both ctrl+left alt+a - "ą"

both ctrl+right alt+a - "ą"

In RM Ace this problem is only letter "ą". With other polish letter (ę ó ś ł ż ź ć ń) is all good or:

for example "ś"

left alt+s - nothing

both ctrl+s - nothink (in notepad - save)

right alt+s - "ś"

both ctrl+left alt+s - "ś"

both ctrl+right alt+s - "ś"

Problem with "ą" letter is in all field in text (event, database, new map...) except RGSS3 editor.

 

[Shaz]

Try typing your letters in a word processor instead, and then copying/pasting them into the text box. Does that allow you to do it?

 

[Kamillo]

Yes, but it is very uncomfortable.

I don't understand why it is break in Ace version, when in all oldest version (english and japanese) is all good. I use RM 95 and 2k/3 and there not problem.

 

[Shaz]

Japanese was the original language for RPG Maker. English (I think) was the first and most popular translation. It wasn't originally designed for other languages, so there may be issues with the editor when trying to enter text in those languages. That's the only reason I can come up with ... unless you need other files that aren't installed for it to handle those characters in the editor.

 

[Andar]

The main problem is that someone who doesn't know the internal keyboard hardware took a shortcut when identifying the pressed keys...


There is no "left" or "right" alt, on a correctly labeled keyboard there are two different keys: [Alt] (left) and [Alt Gr] (right).


Now, if you look into any code table you'll never find a code for a key named [Alt Gr], only the code for the regular [Alt] key.


That is because for the hardware, there is NO [Alt Gr] - that key simply doesn't exist anywhere.


And the reason for this is that [Alt Gr] is a hardware-shortcut for TWO different keys.


If you press [Alt Gr] ("right Alt"), what really happens is that the keyboard tells the system "both [Alt] AND [Ctrl] have been pressed". That is a legacy from a time when computers were too slow to handle several key presses at the same time.


So what happens is that the code for executing keys has priority for [Ctrl]-A and doesn't check/allow for the possibility that [Ctrl]+[Alt]+A (which is the reality behind [Alt Gr]-A) was pressed instead.


And that is why it isn't easy to change - you can't simply change a key/letter assignment, you need to change the function for keyboard processing in a way that it is compatible with multiple control codes...

 

[Kamillo]

Shaz:

Yes english was first unofficial language in which rpg maker was illegally released. RM 95 was first released by Kanji Hack group, and later by Don Miguel with name RPG Maker 95+. I can't check in this version rpg maker if is polish letter, because this version rpg maker not works. After ASCII released RPG Maker 95 1.23 and in this rpg maker is polish letter good (I check in japanase version and english version by Stifu (and polish and portugalish)). RPG Maker 2k was translate by Don Miguel and illegally released in english and russian version. Polish letter it is good. In rpg maker 2k value (normal version value, without "+") polish letter isn't good, but in english translated by RPG-Hacker polish letter is good. In rpg maker 2k3 - RPG Advocate translated polish letter is good.

These RPG Makers was released only Japan, and polish letter is good, even if translation version.

Andar:

Well, well... I understand.

Only, this problem is only at "ą" letter (alt gr+a), and also other polish letter use shortcut which are copy and cut key.

This is "ź" - alt gr+x and "ć" - alt gr+c and they is good. Problem is only "ą" letter.

I know that is difficult to repair, but if I can have hope that will repaired, even if full RPG Maker Ace version?

Do you understand?

 

[Andar]

Do you understand?

I understand perfectly - in German it was even worse, because @ (an important letter when writing scripts) was behind [Alt Gr]-Q, and [Ctrl]-Q is the shortcut for "comment out" in the script editor - you couldn't write a script with the German version until that was corrected.
And because I helped with the German translation, I had direct contact when solving that problem, so I know that it'll take the programmers a few hours to check and try to correct the problem.


you can only wait until they have that time and hope that it will be solved fast. But since there is no polish version of the engine, it might take a while...

 

[Kamillo]

Is unofficial polish version rpg maker vx ace...

Deutsch version is official, or unofficial?

So I wait.

Danke.

 

[Shaz]

Did you pay for it?

 

[Kamillo]

For polish version rpg maker vx ace? No.

This is file .dll and polish new project file (database, script), which replaces with .oryginal dll file and "load project" - polish rm vx ace project file. Similarly as RM95 new game XD. Translation isn't complete, but for these, what can't english speak, is OK.

 

[Shaz]

Did you pay for the English one, or did it come with the Polish .dll/project file?

 

[Kamillo]

I have RPG Maker VX ACE LITE, and this rpg maker is free. I found this fault in rpg maker vx ace lite version and I talked with other people who have a oryginal rpg maker vx ace, and they pay for it. Because that this fault is also with them, I decided write this topic.

Other people think that this problem isn't fault, only specificity rpg maker vx ace. I read help files and not found this shortcut and I think this shortcut isn't specificity rpg maker vx ace.

I think that is worth try. If this fault will repair, polish people who make games in rpg maker will very happy (XD).

 

[Archeia]

Does this happen with the original english dll? We don't support polish language right now and the error could be the effect of the translated fan dll. Because...it works for me.

 

[Kamillo]

How have you entered this letter?

Polish letter is in rpg maker vx ace, so your screen is true, but shortcut right alt+a not work. I can copy ą in notepad and paste in rpg maker vx ace (lite), but this is very uncomfortable. This error is also in English rpg maker vx ace.

Don't work shortcut right alt+a, but letter "ą" is show in rpg maker if it is pasted.

 

[Archeia]

I don't have a polish keyboard and currently using a Japanese one, so I'm not sure how to emulate it. But why not type your dialogue in notepad and then just copy paste it in message box from there?

 

[Engr. Adiktuzmiko]

Maybe because of this:

I can copy ą in notepad and paste in rpg maker vx ace (lite), but this is very uncomfortable

PS: Maybe you can try if you can somehow remap the keys of the keyboard? Windows might have a setting for that...