Need Cosplayers!

[The Dragon God]

 Anyone interested in cosplaying as my game characters? 

 

[ggfg]

How do they look like?

 

[The Dragon God]

www.shadowsphere.webs.com is my official website, feel free to join up.

I have several projects. 

The Blade Goddess Chronicles - 2D rpg which I'm working on now.

Don't Cry Daughter - Horror game idea I might sell to anyone here.

The Dragon Divine Chronicles - my 5 year masterpiece in the making. 

You may pick which one and I'll tell you the characters. 

 

[djDarkX]

Here's the thing I've learned about cosplaying.  People dress up as certain characters in Anime and Video Game because they like the character, both in design and attitude.  Asking people to cosplay as your characters...it's not exactly something they would be willing to do unless they got paid to do it and even then, it's not a certainty.  If your characters are popular enough in both style and personality and if your games were well known, then I could see this being viable.  I dunno, just don't get your hopes up on this request.

 

[The Dragon God]

That is reasonable, but cosplay is fun first over all. I don't see why people need to limit themselves to characters already well-known. Cosplay is suppose to be about a person pretending and -  yes I admit - supporting their favorite characters. But tell me where it says as a rule in cosplay that you must and are only allowed to dress up as a well-known character? Since when do other people's feelings of like and dislike judge and make up the choice as to who you dress as? Where's your free will, where's your independence? Apparently by doing that you as a cosplayer limit yourself and shatter your individuality; these "fans" make up your mind for you. It wouldn't hurt to cosplay as a character yet to be known, you'll even be able to say "hey, I knew that character first before everyone else. " Now that's individuality - expressing yourself AS yourself.

 

[Andar]

There is no rule requiring a cosplayer to use only known characters - but you're still going at it from the wrong direction.

There are thousands of possible characters for cosplay available, and most people who can make their own costumes also have enough creativity to come up with their own characters and costumes (in fact, I've seen enough photos from cosplayers with their own original characters).

If you want someone to cosplay as one of your characters, you need to give them a reason to do this - otherwise they won't do it.

Contrary to popular belief, that reason doesn't have to be money, it could also be a good idea or a challenge - but instead of giving that reason, you made it difficult for cosplayers to even consider your characters:

Why do they have to ask you what those characters are? People are lazy by default, in your first post you didn't even give a link to what your characters are, and the second post gave only a link to simple (unsorted and difficult to check) sketches, offering more info if they ask you.

Why should they ask you? YOU want something from them, you want them to do a lot of work creating the costume - and then you require them to beg for information on what they should do for you?

Put up the info on your characters somewhere, make sure that those characters are interesting and not stereotypes, link that info here - and then you have a chance of someone being interested.

 

[orochii]

Dragon God, I want to ask you a question, I hope you respond it to yourself with complete sincerity (I mean, you don't need to answer me). Do you WANT to cosplay as one of my characters? Do you know any of their traits, or have seen how they develop in the story? Is there any real reason for you that could make you interested in them, invested, and so that it moves you to express that feeling through the act of cosplaying? Sure, I can share some artworks with you, but I'm not even hoping that you would understand them (characterization, motivation, personality... how they react).

Thing is, no one knows anything of my game except for some screens (much less of my characters). Maybe you've already completed your game (or not...?). But if not, what is available for people to experience so they can grow fondness of your characters?

I don't know, ask "us" after we get the chance of playing your game, but not before,

Orochii Zouveleki

 

[The Dragon God]

There is no rule requiring a cosplayer to use only known characters - but you're still going at it from the wrong direction.

There are thousands of possible characters for cosplay available, and most people who can make their own costumes also have enough creativity to come up with their own characters and costumes (in fact, I've seen enough photos from cosplayers with their own original characters).

If you want someone to cosplay as one of your characters, you need to give them a reason to do this - otherwise they won't do it.

Contrary to popular belief, that reason doesn't have to be money, it could also be a good idea or a challenge - but instead of giving that reason, you made it difficult for cosplayers to even consider your characters:

Why do they have to ask you what those characters are? People are lazy by default, in your first post you didn't even give a link to what your characters are, and the second post gave only a link to simple (unsorted and difficult to check) sketches, offering more info if they ask you.

Why should they ask you? YOU want something from them, you want them to do a lot of work creating the costume - and then you require them to beg for information on what they should do for you?

Put up the info on your characters somewhere, make sure that those characters are interesting and not stereotypes, link that info here - and then you have a chance of someone being interested.

Hmm please understand, your assumptions about me are wrong. Yes there's a link in my first post but who do you think you are pointing out my mistakes, you ain't my friend and definitely ain't my parents. To be frank, I forgot to put a link but hey apparently THAT never occurred to you. Don't think for one second that just because your a Mod that you can go around underminding me or my efforts. You may do that to others but I won't let you do that to me. I can read between the lines, your using that as a example to say I'm lazy. Yet the fact I took the time to even write this Thread proves you wrong.

  Also the work required by a participating cosplay isn't forced by me, read my first post, I gave this as a option. I never force people and don't you dare try to tarnish my image here as a pushover. It's volunteer work for those who love cosplay as a hobby. What I've done was present a opportunity. I allow them free will in the matter and IF I write the word "please" it's as a nice gesture, you know "common" curtesy; I don't beg.

 

[The Dragon God]

Dragon God, I want to ask you a question, I hope you respond it to yourself with complete sincerity (I mean, you don't need to answer me). Do you WANT to cosplay as one of my characters? Do you know any of their traits, or have seen how they develop in the story? Is there any real reason for you that could make you interested in them, invested, and so that it moves you to express that feeling through the act of cosplaying? Sure, I can share some artworks with you, but I'm not even hoping that you would understand them (characterization, motivation, personality... how they react).

Thing is, no one knows anything of my game except for some screens (much less of my characters). Maybe you've already completed your game (or not...?). But if not, what is available for people to experience so they can grow fondness of your characters?

I don't know, ask "us" after we get the chance of playing your game, but not before,

Orochii Zouveleki

Real funny, joke's on me. I don't play mind games. Yea I understand that's what you wanted me to say or am I incorrect. I get your joke. 

 

[Solo]

No no no, please nobody fight...  

I speak Love! Peace! JOY over this thread!!       

 

[Ruby]

Dragon God. They are being sincere in their questions, they are NOT out to get you. You are asking people here for help in something you want. So, instead of taking their criticisms and improving on your topic, you are back-lashing unnecessarily.

To be honest, I don't see a problem in you asking for people to cosplay your characters, what I DO see a problem with is the way you are going about it and the way you are jumping down people's throats. 

If I were going to cosplay something (which I won't, it's not my style.) I'd at least like to be familiar with the character. Post a video or a demo of your game to let people at least get acquainted with these characters. You love them, but how can we? Show us the characters here in this thread, along with background history and what-not. Why should we go out of our way, it should be up to you as the topic creator to have all of this in your topic. Of course, things happen and often times we forget, but you shouldn't get mad at people who are reminding you about what the majority of people want to see.

 

[Darkanine]

Edit-

If you supply the materials for it,I might consider it since I don't have much to do lately.Though I can't guarantee if I would look like any of them :/.

 

[orochii]

Real funny, joke's on me. I don't play mind games. Yea I understand that's what you wanted me to say or am I incorrect. I get your joke. 

I was not joking. I was being realist. I love my own game, but it's not that easy to make other people to love it, and on the process, make them love my characters. The whole point behing using a game as a medium to convey a story is making people play the game. If they can't, then there's no way to tell them the story, and so there is no way they can "meet" with my characters, understand them and, with some luck, love them. Or hate them! After all, both are valid (unless that was not your intention).

(Of course I make a game also for the gameplay aspects, not only for storytelling).

Anyway, maybe I'm expressing in the wrong way, seems to happen often, good luck,

Orochii Zouveleki

 

[Andar]

Hmm please understand, your assumptions about me are wrong. Yes there's no link in my first post but who do you think you are pointing out my mistakes, you ain't my friend and definitely ain't my parents. To be frank, I forgot to put a link but hey apparently THAT never occurred to you.

As a moderator on this forum, I was pointing out how you have to change your post to increase your chances of finding someone who might be interested in cosplaying for you. My intention was to help you improve your post to get what you want, because even the added link and info in your follow-up-post pointing to your website is NOT enough info to give you a good chance to find someone (as was pointed out by others, and by the fact that the only offer you have up to now will require you to pay for the costume cost and/or shipping the costume to the cosplayer).

The Dragon God, please avoid double posting, as it is against the forum rules. You can review our forum rules here. Thank you.

If you want to answer to several people, please use the multiquote button instead of posting several posts beneath each other.

And please shorten the quotes to the important parts instead of keeping entire walls of texts.

 

[The Dragon God]

Dragon God. They are being sincere in their questions, they are NOT out to get you. You are asking people here for help in something you want. So, instead of taking their criticisms and improving on your topic, you are back-lashing unnecessarily.

To be honest, I don't see a problem in you asking for people to cosplay your characters, what I DO see a problem with is the way you are going about it and the way you are jumping down people's throats. 

If I were going to cosplay something (which I won't, it's not my style.) I'd at least like to be familiar with the character. Post a video or a demo of your game to let people at least get acquainted with these characters. You love them, but how can we? Show us the characters here in this thread, along with background history and what-not. Why should we go out of our way, it should be up to you as the topic creator to have all of this in your topic. Of course, things happen and often times we forget, but you shouldn't get mad at people who are reminding you about what the majority of people want to see.

The Topic needs no improvement it's simple, either you'll help or you won't. I didn't ask for advice nor was this a topic to be criticize. This isn't a game nor a movie, judgement  was what's unnecessary. I'm not trying to back-lash but hey apparently you don't count their criticism as the same. Anyone can use fancy words to hide what they are doing, I personally try to be frank. I been around the block before, I got experience to know when people use criticim as a cover-up to undermine other people's ideas. So when I feel bashed, I bash back, who says one who gets punched can't punch back. And while your sitting there reading what I  say, take mind to think on these other people as well. Just because my way of doings things are different from traditional ways where as people cosplay as well-known characters doesn't mean my way is bad There are only two kinds of people in this world - Followerd and Leasers. I lead, I don't follow traditions, I make my own. Your either with me or against me. And I now see where you stand, but it's cool, I'm NOT looking to find like-mined people.

@ muramasa

  I'm not forcing people to do anything, and my DDC project is known to hundreds of people already. My friends around the world help with that. I got supporters, I know people got my back, I'm not alone.

 

[Ruby]

I don't see how you're going to receive any help with that attitude, but hey, whatever. ^~^ Good luck!

 

[Indrah]

I can only say that behavior is turning ugly, dude :/ First you ask someone to cosplay for you with no given details, then you get defensive and passive agressive. No one wants to deal with people who behave like that.

Also I have to say that just asking is fine, but it seems you're talking a lot about the freedom of cosplayers and so on, while not actually (as far as I can make out) doing it yourself. Have YOU cosplayed for someone's game before? I may be wrong, of course, but it seems you're talking about cosplayers and their stuff more in terms of what would work for you and your situation rather than their own.

Personally I can totally see the appeal of someone cosplaying for one's game, but I find it vain (at least on my eyes) to just ask at random. I dunno, it's like fanart: the point is that they are gifts. Extremely flattering, awesome gifts. I find you don't ASK for those, they come from other people.

If I just went out and said "hey can anyone make fanart for my game"...well, it's not WRONG per se, but it just feels a wee bit desperate and shameless. That may be just me, of course, and maybe it totally works for people. Who am I to know?

And I have to ask: people usually cosplay as something that has a fanbase of some sort (and usually they will be part of it). Do your games have a fanbase? People who love your games and would put time and effort for it?

Edit: I don't really think you need to "volunteer to help" cosplayers by giving them ideas. There is absolutely no shortage of beloved characters in media. Let's be brutally honest with ourselves here and admit RM games are not usually in the mainstream or usually have large fanbases.

Also...not a single finished game? Now look here, that is just flat out unrealistic. You want people to care and put effort into vague, unfinished projects?  Would YOU do that in the same situation with something else? A stranger's project, an unfinished indie game without even a demo?  

I don't think so.

 

[The Dragon God]

I can only say that behavior is turning ugly, dude :/ First you ask someone to cosplay for you with no given details, then you get defensive and passive agressive. No one wants to deal with people who behave like that.

Also I have to say that just asking is fine, but it seems you're talking a lot about the freedom of cosplayers and so on, while not actually (as far as I can make out) doing it yourself. Have YOU cosplayed for someone's game before? I may be wrong, of course, but it seems you're talking about cosplayers and their stuff more in terms of what would work for you and your situation rather than their own.

Personally I can totally see the appeal of someone cosplaying for one's game, but I find it vain (at least on my eyes) to just ask at random. I dunno, it's like fanart: the point is that they are gifts. Extremely flattering, awesome gifts. I find you don't ASK for those, they come from other people.

If I just went out and said "hey can anyone make fanart for my game"...well, it's not WRONG per se, but it just feels a wee bit desperate and shameless. That may be just me, of course, and maybe it totally works for people. Who am I to know?

And I have to ask: people usually cosplay as something that has a fanbase of some sort (and usually they will be part of it). Do your games have a fanbase? People who love your games and would put time and effort for it?

Edit: I don't really think you need to "volunteer to help" cosplayers by giving them ideas. There is absolutely no shortage of beloved characters in media. Let's be brutally honest with ourselves here and admit RM games are not usually in the mainstream or usually have large fanbases.

Also...not a single finished game? Now look here, that is just flat out unrealistic. You want people to care and put effort into vague, unfinished projects?  Would YOU do that in the same situation with something else? A stranger's project, an unfinished indie game without even a demo?  

I don't think so.

  Luckily what you say is just your opinion, opinions are not facts. Just because you perceived me as one thing doesn't make it true. Especially when YOU do not know me so before you start writing how you "think" I am, know that what you write is just a opinion.

  So you think exposing me as a non-cosplayer will help you? What, "oh look, Dragon isn't a cosplayer so he doesn't know anything about. " So let me guess, your thinking exposing my inexperience with cosplay makes me a bad business deal. That's low of you to demean me. The ironic fact is, when you are exposing others, you unintentionally expose yourself. So tell me, how's that double-edge sword feel eh. And fyi, IF I had more money to spare, I'd cosplay. I support and like cosplay, especially when I have experience roleplaying.

  Apparent in your quest to undermine me, you fail to read my posts, I did make it clear I have support and people DO know about my games long before I joined RMW.

  How I went about asking may not be how you do it but that doesn't mean you have a right to say how I asked was wrong especially since your only here to pass judgement on others mainly me and thus you yourself aren't doing anything productive.

 Well my idea to give cosplayers new ideas isn't bad, like fabs and trends things get old, and they'll need something new so yea, try and demean it all you want, cosplayers can still use my ideas.

  "Also...not a single finished game? Now look here, that is just flat out unrealistic. You want people to care and put effort into vague, unfinished projects?  Would YOU do that in the same situation with something else? A stranger's project, an unfinished indie game without even a demo?"

--- I don't recall saying my first projects are on RM VX ACE, I got one major project before I even got RM VX ACE. You frankly have no idea what your stepping into, I'm not a newbie when it comes to starting out as a Indie Game Dev, so your barking up the wrong tree. I was a newbie using RM VX ACE software but now I understand what I'm doing. Since you have no idea what I've been doing you need to quit while your getting ahead of yourself.

 I don't see a free card for YOU to do that. Since your not here as a cosplayer, nor for have any deals to discuss, I'd say your far out the equation. All your doing is trying to score easy wins and get easy Likes. Your acting like nothing but a Troll, just leave since this "ugliness" as you say is getting out of hand; speaking of which it seems all your hands are doing is adding fuel to the flames hence your being counterproductive. My Thread has nothing to do with you.

 

[sabao]

Whoah, chill. Contrary to what you may believe, no one was out to attack you. Not initially, anyway.


The initial line of questioning was 'why should they?' The simple answer was of course, if they want to, sure. The next line of thought was 'what reason would they want to cosplay as characters they aren't familiar with?' As you've pointed out, cosplayers do this for fun and in support of characters they like. Without much else to go on but crude sketches on your site, however, it may be difficult for anyone to even decide whether or not they like them to begin with (should there be anyone altruistic enough to try out).


If this were strictly a matter of recruitment, you'd probably be best served posting about it in an actual cosplay forum. While there may be practitioners here, there will be far and few of them in comparison. This place is, however, still a forum where people are free to voice in. A healthy number (practically everyone so far) of which feel your proposition in questionable. You don't necessarily have to agree with all of them, but this should be some cause for further reflection.

 

[Indrah]

Oh, is that the persecution complex stuff people always talk about I see there? Not even sure if this is a troll, or just a severe case of the bullshits.

And still. Where is your GAME. Rm or whatever. Where. Is. It.

Not beign a newbie and having a game finished are worlds apart.

Well bottom line: after this display I can't see anyone wanting to cosplay as anythign related to you, that I can freely say.

But ehh, you're obviously not listening, so I'm out! Have fun and all.

Psst: thinking a perosn is behaving like a petulant child, havign different opinions and calling you out on your BS do not equal trolling.