Need Cosplayers!

[The Dragon God]

Whoah, chill. Contrary to what you may believe, no one was out to attack you. Not initially, anyway. The initial line of questioning was 'why should they?' The simple answer was of course, if they want to, sure. The next line of thought was 'what reason would they want to cosplay as characters they aren't familiar with?' As you've pointed out, cosplayers do this for fun and in support of characters they like. Without much else to go on but crude sketches on your site, however, it may be difficult for anyone to even decide whether or not they like them to begin with (should there be anyone altruistic enough to try out). If this were strictly a matter of recruitment, you'd probably be best served posting about it in an actual cosplay forum. While there may be practitioners here, there will be far and few of them in comparison. This place is, however, still a forum where people are free to voice in. A healthy number (practically everyone so far) of which feel your proposition in questionable. You don't necessarily have to agree with all of them, but this should be some cause for further reflection.

 Hmm my previous post addresses Indrah, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

It isn't hard to learn about my characters. Just ask questions. 

IF your not here as my foe then please refrain from addressing my drawings as crude, my drawings are good, maybe not pro 

(  BUT then again I never said to what degree I can draw at ) but good enough to get the point across. As long as you can mentally see what they'll look in a game, quality doesn't matter. BUT I'll have you know, your just 1 guy out the hundreds of people who's trying to be slick using fancy words in substitute to frankly saying they are bad. ONLY you out of those people think that way.  IF you think I'm too illiterate or not college prep to understand those words, well you'll be more surprised then a Moogle saying "Kupo!" cause he's silly cap got in the way of his face. 

 Since when was saying "yes" or "no" difficult.

 I post this proposition everywhere, I have no regrets about posting it here despite people questioning it, feel free to question it BUT hey IF your gonna question it, try asking actual question about it instead of questioning the presentation of my proposition.

 

[sabao]

I personally have had to recruit, manage, prepare and shoot cosplayers for several events and photoshoots myself, and it's something of a logistical undertaking. Producing the costume (a high quality one of course) would involve both time and money, either from the cosplayer's end or on you, the client. The latter would be preferrable in most cases, as you'd save the model the trouble of having to do most of the work themselves, especially if they're modeling for free.


These questions were not posed to attack you. If anything, they're meant to help cosplayers decide if they can/should volunteer their services depending on the assistance/rewards provided. Selling the idea aside, can you help them in any way? Because if not then they have to ask themselves if they can afford to spend the time and money producing the costumes, which they may just wind up using once or twice at best because they aren't nearly as popular as the rest of their wardrobe.


And by crude I mean black and white pencil works that appear poorly scanned. I'll spare the critique, but colors would have helped.

 

[The Dragon God]

I personally have had to recruit, manage, prepare and shoot cosplayers for several events and photoshoots myself, and it's something of a logistical undertaking. Producing the costume (a high quality one of course) would involve both time and money, either from the cosplayer's end or on you, the client. The latter would be preferrable in most cases, as you'd save the model the trouble of having to do most of the work themselves, especially if they're modeling for free. These questions were not posed to attack you. If anything, they're meant to help cosplayers decide if they can/should volunteer their services depending on the assistance/rewards provided. Selling the idea aside, can you help them in any way? Because if not then they have to ask themselves if they can afford to spend the time and money producing the costumes, which they may just wind up using once or twice at best because they aren't nearly as popular as the rest of their wardrobe. And by crude I mean black and white pencil works that appear poorly scanned. I'll spare the critique, but colors would have helped.

Well I understand the expenses. It's fine to help, but if you and others can judge how I ask/request things then it's foolish to thing I won't do the same. Second being popular isn't a issue you nor anyone else has any idea the scope of my project(s), you have no idea who I know, where I talk, nor my whereabouts. You only know what I allow you to know. My friends know more.

 

[sabao]

Your cosplayers aren't necessarily your friends. Much like them, the rest of us would benefit from a little more insight.

 

[The Dragon God]

That's where your wrong about me, I don't live by boundaries. I'll be friends to anyone just for the simple fact they are alive and are human. That alone is reason enough to be a person's friend. Your alive, I'm alive, we are alive, the fact we are not promised a tomorrow is reason enough to enjoy you as a friend today.

Insight? Well that's where uour mood to question me comes in.

 

[djDarkX]

Dude, I gotta say if anyone tries telling you reasons why people would not want to cosplay as your characters, you simply close your ears (or in this case your eyes) and pretty much think they are attacking your request.  We're not.  We're letting you know how cosplayers operate.  You can't tell a cosplayer, "You're going to dress up as this because I said so" unless you are paying them a decent amount of money to do so, like a photo shoot.  As I said in my first post, cosplayers are more inclined to dress up as characters that are familiar, they can relate to and various other things and usually it's for media that's already out.  You said yourself you have no game out, just some sketches and from what I've read in replies, they aren't that good to begin with, so people wouldn't even know where to start even if that was the case.

My advice to you would be to take a step back, finish your game and then ask later if the response is good.  Even then, unless you're paying people to do it or you provide high quality costumes to the actors at no expense to them, asking people to do so will usually yield no results.  This is not an opinion, but rather a fact.  As much as you want this to be an opinion, it's not.  I know cosplayers and I know the culture, probably a lot better than you do, and I'm stating facts here.  Nothing I've said is false.  I'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the way it is.

Now, as I said, finish your game, flesh out your characters and release it.  Once you do, check the reaction to it and then come back to this request.  Until then, might want to put that on hold.

 

[sabao]

That's where your wrong about me, I don't live by boundaries. I'll be friends to anyone just for the simple fact they are alive and are human. That alone is reason enough to be a person's friend. Your alive, I'm alive, we are alive, the fact we are not promised a tomorrow is reason enough to enjoy you as a friend today.
Insight? Well that's where uour mood to question me comes in.

Let me clarify since you may have misinterpreted: your potential recruits aren't your friends yet. They know as much about you as we do, which as you've pointed out is practically nothing. If the only basis of quality for your pitch is 'my friends would know' then your best prospects are likely among your friends. You have to somehow brief people about these characters, whether in write-up or in a game itself, because playing 21 questions about them just won't fly.

 

[The Dragon God]

Dude, I gotta say if anyone tries telling you reasons why people would not want to cosplay as your characters, you simply close your ears (or in this case your eyes) and pretty much think they are attacking your request.  We're not.  We're letting you know how cosplayers operate.  You can't tell a cosplayer, "You're going to dress up as this because I said so" unless you are paying them a decent amount of money to do so, like a photo shoot.  As I said in my first post, cosplayers are more inclined to dress up as characters that are familiar, they can relate to and various other things and usually it's for media that's already out.  You said yourself you have no game out, just some sketches and from what I've read in replies, they aren't that good to begin with, so people wouldn't even know where to start even if that was the case.

My advice to you would be to take a step back, finish your game and then ask later if the response is good.  Even then, unless you're paying people to do it or you provide high quality costumes to the actors at no expense to them, asking people to do so will usually yield no results.  This is not an opinion, but rather a fact.  As much as you want this to be an opinion, it's not.  I know cosplayers and I know the culture, probably a lot better than you do, and I'm stating facts here.  Nothing I've said is false.  I'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the way it is.

Now, as I said, finish your game, flesh out your characters and release it.  Once you do, check the reaction to it and then come back to this request.  Until then, might want to put that on hold.

Well I'll take notes. How I react is normal. Second, I don't nor am I trying to force people to do anything. Perceive this how "you" want but don't try to draw me out as something I'm not. Don't say anything about me your not willing to say about yourself. I get what yall saying, sad though that it's all negative assumptions about me, if you think that's what help is then maybe I should revise what you are trying to define as help and see rewrite your sentence as the way I just pointed out. THAT for sure isn't the help yall been poining out. Ironically all the pointing here has been at me, worse though my presentation of my request is so-called questionable ( and being pointed at) apparently somewhere along the lines of this whole situation ( or maybe somewhere within the Forums ) people got the idea that it's their right to point at me individually as a person and say negative things about me based off assumptions. With that said I'm in reasonable grounds to react the say I do.

 

[djDarkX]

...wut?  Sorry, but your post made my brain just skip around.  I never said you were forcing people to do anything.  Looks like we're not the only ones "perceiving" people differently than they really are, are we?  Also, you went from asking a question to feeling attacked by us, saying we're all pointing fingers at you, which we're not.

Simple fact: You're not gonna get cosplayers.  Sorry.

My opinion: I think you can't take it when people say no or say something won't work out, with facts in hand.  Personally, I think you're spoiled, but that's, again, my opinion, which it seems a lot of other people have pretty much already said, just not so bluntly.  If you were trying to gain some kind of friends through this, you pretty much failed.  Next time someone offers you advice, take it instead of telling them they're wrong.

 

[kerbonklin]

They say $500 USD is the magic word around here...

Don't take what I just said seriously lol I was kidding. xD

....unless...

 

[sabao]

Nobody really said anything about you as a person, just about the situation at large where you expect someone or something to just magically fall from the sky and onto your lap. Remarks about your attitude only came up after you flipped out in response to their feedback.


You have a game in development. Cool. So do about a thousand other people here and other communities. There's no denying there are cosplayers around that may be altruistic enough to offer to dress up as one of your characters without you ever asking them to, but you have to give them a reason to. Do they like your character? Do they know anything about them all, apart from you and your IRL friends' personal seals of awesome (which, to strangers, amount to very little or nothing at all)? Give us a demo, or a proper project brief. Give us anything at all that shows our effort to back your project up can be reciprocated in kind.


I understand being passionate about your own creative work. I'm sure we all do. It's just a little too early to expect anyone else to feel just as passionate about it though. For now, buckle down on the project and focus on making something people can get excited about.

 

[The Dragon God]

...wut?  Sorry, but your post made my brain just skip around.  I never said you were forcing people to do anything.  Looks like we're not the only ones "perceiving" people differently than they really are, are we?  Also, you went from asking a question to feeling attacked by us, saying we're all pointing fingers at you, which we're not.

Simple fact: You're not gonna get cosplayers.  Sorry.

My opinion: I think you can't take it when people say no or say something won't work out, with facts in hand.  Personally, I think you're spoiled, but that's, again, my opinion, which it seems a lot of other people have pretty much already said, just not so bluntly.  If you were trying to gain some kind of friends through this, you pretty much failed.  Next time someone offers you advice, take it instead of telling them they're wrong.

  I was only talking you when I said I'm not forcing people to do stuff. And I only said that because of this "You can't tell a cosplayer, "You're going to dress up as this because I said so" unless you are paying them a decent amount of money to do so, like a photo shoot. " That to me makes me think you think I force people which in that case I would correct you, why, simple really I don't like people saying I'm something I know I'm not. I haven't tried nor have any intention to take people's free will away, though I'm curious how YOU propose I would do that over ghe internet so please do tell.  Facts? You have none to prove I do that. 

 Wouldn't be hard to get cosplayers, and you can't speak for everyone. Either way, I'm not a quitter and THAT is fact.

 Spolied? Nah, IF your thinking I gave it made in the shade, oohhh so far from right you are. I won't say more because that assumption dives into my personal life. Say what you want about my Thread but my personal life isn't your business and you'd be none the wiser probing for it. Again people have free will, I'm presenting a opportunity nothing more, people will say no, others may think on it, either way is fine with me. IF they want to help out great, if not oh well, it ain't a problem. I expect it either way.

 

[Shaz]

The Dragon God, if you MUST quote others, please delete any parts of that quote that aren't relevant to your reply.


It's clear this thread is not achieving what you want it to achieve, and instead of considering the reasons people are telling you it's not going to work, you are choosing to be offended. Shall we just say enough is enough, and lock it here?

 

[Celianna]

Lock, lock, lockerdy-lock


Also, to the community; as attractive as it is to gang up on someone, let's not, and simply report the topic considering this was too off topic in the first place.