Negative points about MV when compared with older RMs?

[astracat111]

I could list a thousand reasons Javascript is better to learn than Ruby if you live in the west, all stemming from the fact that everyone uses it.

 

[jonthefox]

I only really have 2 big complaints, and one minor complaint:

-really cheesy and one-dimensional art style.  have to basically overhaul the entire library of assets if i don't want to conform to it, since even the sideview battlers etc. all follow this pattern.   

-the character generator is a huge disappointment.  no variety in face or body shape.  clothing styles all very similar; really hard to depict different cultures / fashion styles / economic backgrounds.

-a little bit more default "detail" tiles would've been nice -- a few different rocks, trees, etc., i'm finding it difficult to add detail to my outdoor maps.  

 

[jay_are]

All right, I've tried RPG Maker MV finally!

When I made the thread, I wasn't home, so I couldn't try it.

Yes, it is dreadful that your project has to start with all the resources......................... there just must be a simpler way to manage this. Something that detects what exactly your project needs?

And yes, the art style can be "cheesy" as jonthefox said, BUT a lot of it is good. It's kinda inconsistent cause some of it looks like  VX Ace, 2000, and its own strange style.

The majority is good thankfully.

The music is amazing!

My trial came with RM 2003 enhanced music... not sure if this is part of the package when you buy the program?

I'm also thankful that this runs smoothly on my basic computer I use for Windows 7 (goes from 57 to 60 fps, when you press the F# key to show it)

Overall, i'd buy this someday. I'm hoping to see improvements. Besides the RTP loading at the start of the project, the map editor seems a little unresponsive when I create circle or square shapes rather than use the pencil tool. In older makers, I could create a circle instantly. Here, I have to wait about a second holding the mouse button for it to be effective. Kinda hard to explain.

The battles, front or sideview, are excellent!! I've always had complaints about 2003's battle system, but there's no issues here! Whoever told me that this could have been "done better" had poor judgement........

I have a much better view about this maker now. Best of luck to the developers!

 

[Ultima2876]

Yes, it is dreadful that your project has to start with all the resources......................... there just must be a simpler way to manage this. Something that detects what exactly your project needs?

I've made a very quick tool that helps with exactly this issue. It removes all assets from your project that aren't being directly referenced, which equates to almost everything that isn't being used (the main exception for now is animations, which I'm working on!). Check it out: http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/47985-mvstripper-remove-unused-assets-from-your-mv-project

It takes about 30 seconds (including downloading and extracting the zip) to bring a default project from 400mb to 200ish.

 

[NoInkling]

I could list a thousand reasons Javascript is better to learn than Ruby if you live in the west, all stemming from the fact that everyone uses it.

Exactly. And JS got popular simply because its the language the runs in our web browsers, it certainly didn't get there on its own merits as a language (although first-class functions are nice), it was really just historical reasons. Almost everything positive that can be said about JS arose out of necessity (V8, Node, ecosystem, userbase).

Using it to teach object-oriented programming? You mean learning how to shoehorn a prototypal system into a classical one, ugh.

 

[Ed19]

Lack of Resource Manager. That's all

 

[Jory4001]

- Due to the way that RPG Maker MV loads Pictures, there seems to be a small delay when switching to a new picture, or loading a new one over the top of an old one. It's a small thing, but can make complicated cutscenes a bit more fiddly.

There is a severe lag even on very high end omputers for displaying pictures. I found it works much better to load all pictures used in a cutscene or map at the begining with opacity at 0 and just flip between them as needed instead of loading them and replacing/erasing them ine at a time. There is virtualy no lag or studder this way. And the load time can be hidden with a fade out/in or map transition.

 

[Vegnarus]

I also missed the multicopy thing but it seems we can use the classic shift-select function which is even smoother and less clunky. And as for new projects taking forever to create or including files you don't need, here's a trick for some of you guys if you don't know it:

When creating a new project, the program simply copies what is in the NewData folder in RPGMV which is typically in Program Files or wherever you installed it.

If you want to remove the excess files, just backup that folder and name it something else like "DLC" or "Base Resources" and delete the audio and images that you don't want from the NewData folder. Do not mess with the data folder or the system folder in img. (along with other images or files that might cause an error if excluded) 

Some things are basic and are needed by the program so carefully remove what you don't want. After that, when you create a new project, the editor won't take an eternity to create it and the files copied will be just the ones you left in the NewData folder.

 

[zharth]

-really cheesy and one-dimensional art style.  have to basically overhaul the entire library of assets if i don't want to conform to it, since even the sideview battlers etc. all follow this pattern.   

-the character generator is a huge disappointment.  no variety in face or body shape.  clothing styles all very similar; really hard to depict different cultures / fashion styles / economic backgrounds.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. The only major complaint I have about MV so far is that I really don't like the art style - compared to VX Ace, it's too soft and rounded and cartoony. And while everybody is praising the Character Generator for being so awesome, I really don't like it. The CG in VX Ace took some getting used to, but I like it a lot better than the one in MV. Like you, I feel that there's not enough variety in faces or clothing styles. It all looks very samey.

 

[TheHarmp]

The main things that bother me are the Battle Weapons, and how they're no longer simply the icons (I was planning on making a ton of different ones.)
And there's no moving platforms yet. Now that wasn't in any of the older ones either I think, but there were scripts for it. (I guess I'll have to hope and wait for that)
And as said a few times above here, the character style is too cartoony, even the evil and monster characters look huggable.

 

[jay_are]

I've made a very quick tool that helps with exactly this issue. It removes all assets from your project that aren't being directly referenced, which equates to almost everything that isn't being used (the main exception for now is animations, which I'm working on!). Check it out: http://forums.rpgmakerweb.com/index.php?/topic/47985-mvstripper-remove-unused-assets-from-your-mv-project

It takes about 30 seconds (including downloading and extracting the zip) to bring a default project from 400mb to 200ish.

You're a hero!!! I'll check this tool out soon.

 

[Ultima2876]

You're a hero!!! I'll check this tool out soon.

Let me know how you get on! I'm planning an update soon that does better filesize reduction (by stripping referenced but unused animations), makes it look a bit nicer and fixes a minor bug.

 

[KisaiTenshi]

Let me know how you get on! I'm planning an update soon that does better filesize reduction (by stripping referenced but unused animations), makes it look a bit nicer and fixes a minor bug.

You know what you should do... is have it cross-reference updated files (Eg check modification date/SHA-1 checksum) between NewData and the project so that files that are updated by steam optionally be updated if the version in project is older and unchanged from stock. Like this is a little more complicated than what your software tool was designed for, but I think having it go "check for newer project assets" could be done.

 

[CriticalGames]

There is a severe lag even on very high end omputers for displaying pictures. I found it works much better to load all pictures used in a cutscene or map at the begining with opacity at 0 and just flip between them as needed instead of loading them and replacing/erasing them ine at a time. There is virtualy no lag or studder this way. And the load time can be hidden with a fade out/in or map transition.

That's a really great idea - thanks! I do wonder why there is so much lag for pictures, though (I don't recall it ever being a problem in the past)...At least there's a workaround =)

 

[Ultima2876]

You know what you should do... is have it cross-reference updated files (Eg check modification date/SHA-1 checksum) between NewData and the project so that files that are updated by steam optionally be updated if the version in project is older and unchanged from stock. Like this is a little more complicated than what your software tool was designed for, but I think having it go "check for newer project assets" could be done.

Yeah, that's probably a little out of scope for the project - all I want really is to have a simple tool I can quickly run before uploading my project. However, since it's open source I'd be happy for someone else to take this sort of thing on in future. I need to get a github set up for it really.

 

[Sapphire Luna]

What I dislike the most is the lack of layers for tilesets. I can make a whole house and then decide I want to change the carpet on the floor, but then drawing a new carpet will overwrite all the objects above and I have to redo everything.

I also think the tilesets look really flat, especially compared to XP's tilesets which were more 3D-ish.

 

[Fernyfer775]

My only real gripe is all this hype about being able to port to android/ios, but when you do, the game runs laggy as hell and you have to be super stingy with file size.

 My phone can run pretty much any top end game on the android market, so the phone isn't the problem.

I think unless something is changed (I wouldn't even know what to be honest since I'm not all that savvy at this kind of thing), the whole porting to mobile devices is out for me, and many others.

 

[Milennin]

Compared to VX Ace, there isn't much of a list to make. It's superior to VX Ace in pretty much every single way. Just a shame they stuck to the same style of graphics, would've been nice to get something different for a change.

Compared to 2K(3) there are several things that I'm missing in MV, mostly when it comes to the eventing and database options (this was already flawed in VX Ace, and they certainly didn't improve much with MV). Just simple things like being able to choose from all the variable settings (greater than, smaller than, equal to etc) under event conditions. Or being able to flip face sets in dialogue. Having an option to flash sprites.  An option for camera/target shake in combat animations. Better EXP curves. The list goes on and on. Just small things, but they do add up. Still, however much I like RM2K(3), I think MV is the superior program.

 

[KisaiTenshi]

My only real gripe is all this hype about being able to port to android/ios, but when you do, the game runs laggy as hell and you have to be super stingy with file size.

 My phone can run pretty much any top end game on the android market, so the phone isn't the problem.

I think unless something is changed (I wouldn't even know what to be honest since I'm not all that savvy at this kind of thing), the whole porting to mobile devices is out for me, and many others.

It works fine on iOS devices. Space is always a premium on a mobile device. (Like i can run it on my iPhone 6S with no problem.)

Mobile devices, especially Android are a crapshoot, and most Android devices are underpowered and don't support WebGL.

 

[jay_are]

Let me know how you get on! I'm planning an update soon that does better filesize reduction (by stripping referenced but unused animations), makes it look a bit nicer and fixes a minor bug.

Used it, worked wonders! I was able to strip my project down to 50 mb!

(Of course, by almost using nothing, i deleted most enemies, tilesets, etc)

But I noticed something. The Title folder still has all Titlescreens. Why is this?

Another thing I noticed, the battlebacks. Where is RPG Maker MV telling the program that i'm using those battlebacks? I see all terrains set to 0, and I don't know where else to check.

Other than that though, really glad about this tool. Thanks!!

I have another problem entirely though.......... and this is a major complaint about the program unless I'm misinterpreting things.

I don't know where the program decides that weapon graphic to use in sideview battles. AND it seems limited to like 36 unique looking weapons for an entire game?