On AI Generated Art

[Holder]

Wonder how long it takes for y'all to realize that not every thread is a discourse thread.

If the man says "no ai generated resources", you're not adding anything by arguing nor will you reverse his decision.

I'm not debating the decision, my direction of the thread was to go down the what helps identify AI content for reporting reasons.

So far it's just down to hands and inconsistent style. I don't know much about it apart from how it's generated.

From what I've seen it's mainly been painted art - and seen resources like backgrounds and facesets.

 

[Eternidade_1]

Is it drawings made by software, through the use of codes? Art is subjective.

 

[Storyteller-Hero]

Is it drawings made by software, through the use of codes? Art is subjective.

It's effectively like stolen code if the art used to "train" a generator was used without permission or license, and the RNG factor of most generators means that they could pop out something illegally derivative of copyrighted work even if not an exact copy, and the person typing in prompts has no control over that. The laws on AI "art" are also in a formative stage atm, with at least the US copyright office not allowing copyright protection for AI "art" due to its lack of human involvement (typing in prompts is basically being a client making a request, not being the commissioned artist).

Posting on social media or making memes is one thing, but trying to use it for commercial product or commercial advertisement opens up a whole lot of complicated issues and liabilities, at least until there's a global consensus (and that might never come, or come in favor of banning AI art for commercial use).

 

[Trihan]

I'm not debating the decision, my direction of the thread was to go down the what helps identify AI content for reporting reasons.

So far it's just down to hands and inconsistent style. I don't know much about it apart from how it's generated.

From what I've seen it's mainly been painted art - and seen resources like backgrounds and facesets.

You're missing the point. It's not always obvious, but it's now been established as a rule. If you post art that's obviously generated by AI, it'll probably be deleted. If you post art that isn't obviously generated by AI but still was, it'll likely slip through the cracks. But the mods have covered their asses by saying it wasn't allowed, and if it comes out later you're the one on the hook rather than them. And if it never gets detected, the only impact comes down to whether you care about having flouted the rules or not.

 

[Holder]

You're missing the point. It's not always obvious, but it's now been established as a rule. If you post art that's obviously generated by AI, it'll probably be deleted. If you post art that isn't obviously generated by AI but still was, it'll likely slip through the cracks. But the mods have covered their asses by saying it wasn't allowed, and if it comes out later you're the one on the hook rather than them. And if it never gets detected, the only impact comes down to whether you care about having flouted the rules or not.

Trust me I know I'm not missing the point, I'm well aware of new rules having to come into effect and how forums work.
My point was seeking advice on what to look out for, if there were any telling signs as it's quite (in my eyes) a difficult thing to spot.

 

[LunarFlareStudios]

Trust me I know I'm not missing the point, I'm well aware of new rules having to come into effect and how forums work.
My point was seeking advice on what to look out for, if there were any telling signs as it's quite (in my eyes) a difficult thing to spot.

There's always little inconsistencies in AI art. As in, when something's made by AI, there's always something off, usually with faces. AI hasn't really mastered drawing faces yet, at least not from what I've seen. If the face doesn't look like something that properly passes as a face, it's likely to be AI.
I'm not a supporter of AI art anyway. I absolutely despise it.

 

[Starmage]

Hi! I wonder if it's alright if I use A.I. art in my game. (Non-commercial/Non-profit, of course), cause I got some really neat stuff generated for me by A.I., and I wanted to use them as resources for a free game I'm making. Is it against the rules to use resources generated via A.I. in my non-commercial projects? Thanks for any clarification. ^_^ <3

Example: This amazing background image A.I. generated for me

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[FrigidGaze]

Hi! I wonder if it's alright if I use A.I. art in my game. (Non-commercial/Non-profit, of course), cause I got some really neat stuff generated for me by A.I., and I wanted to use them as resources for a free game I'm making. Is it against the rules to use resources generated via A.I. in my non-commercial projects? Thanks for any clarification. ^_^ <3

Example: This amazing background image A.I. generated for me

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To quote TouchFuzzy:

This is not a judgment about whether you yourself should use them, until there is some legal court decision based on it we have no idea how things are going to fall legally, and ethically, that is up to you, yourself to decide.

So it's up to you based on the knowledge you have about AI art right now, essentially. I just don't think you're allowed to start a discussion on AI art, or post it as a resource for others to use. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, though!

 

[Starmage]

Hmmm, so it's up to us if we wanna use them in our own projects, but we shouldn't post A.I. arts as resources on the forums for people to use. Sounds good to me. ^_^ Thanks, hope this can be confirmed.

 

[TheoAllen]

AI hasn't really mastered drawing faces yet

... I've come to realize that I might be an AI.

 

[LunarFlareStudios]

... I've come to realize that I might be an AI.

Lol! It's one thing to not draw well, but AI faces look so distorted that I could hardly tell they were faces. I remember one of the AI art pieces I saw blended the nose and mouth in such a way that they seemed like the exact same hole. Plus some AI stuff is so creepy it triggered my trypophobia. Mermaid scales in one piece looked way too similar to a field of creepy holes... nope, nope, nope.
Stuff like this one I created for kicks is one reason why I no longer use DeviantArt's AI.

https://www.deviantart.com/lunarflarestudios/art/DreamUp-Creation-Steampunk-Mermaid-939823824

Creepy, right? It's supposed to be a steampunk mermaid.

 

[123edc]

well ... considering, that some pay millions for "modern art" (that looks just as creepy) i wouldn't exactly say "right"

though, i agree with you, that - at places - it realy does looks distorted ...
technology simply isn't at it's peak right now ...

however, especially full - body anime characters (hands aside - but they're working on it and you can always manually fix it) already look quite passable nowadays

 

[BlackDesert99]

Hey guys, just joined this forum. Not really sure where I should drop my first message, thought I could write it here cause I am too deeply concerned with AI generated content abusing copyrights.

 

[LunarFlareStudios]

Hey guys, just joined this forum. Not really sure where I should drop my first message, thought I could write it here cause I am too deeply concerned with AI generated content abusing copyrights.

Welcome to the forum! I agree, that's another reason I gave up on using AI for art. I sometimes wish art AI had never been invented. I've actually created a petition asking DeviantArt to remove their AI "DreamUp", and so far I'm at 55 signatures. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link here, since I'm pretty sure it's a form of advertising, so I'm not going to chance it. But it exists.

 

[XPKobold]

Welcome to the forum! I agree, that's another reason I gave up on using AI for art. I sometimes wish art AI had never been invented. I've actually created a petition asking DeviantArt to remove their AI "DreamUp", and so far I'm at 55 signatures. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link here, since I'm pretty sure it's a form of advertising, so I'm not going to chance it. But it exists.

DA has been going downhill for a long time. that Dream Up Fiasco was the final straw that caused a lot of artists to leave. The only other options for artists now is to make their own website, or find another place to post art.

 

[Bex]

Edit:
I missread the Topic... Sorry

 

[coyotecraft]

Reading between the lines. "We" must refer to the business of selling RPG Maker resources. They've always put their interests before the community. The forums policies reflect that.
Just look at the state of resource requests. They're not even trying to moderate it. They've conveniently forgotten the distinction between resource and reference. Which was a big deal, like, 10 years ago?

Just wait another 10 years I guess. I'm sure their definition of "AI" will have changed by then too.
How about "AI Assisted"?
There's a resource pack in the store right now that has upscaled versions of RMXP's battlers. I don't doubt that a human hand touched up the lineart. But was it even necessary? Did they give the original artist the opportunity to provide the source material? Did they even credit the original artist?

 

[TheoAllen]

Yes, that is going to be 10 years later because they said as for now "until there is some legal court decision based on it we have no idea how things are going to fall legally"

 

[coyotecraft]

I'm calling it a white lie.
They don't need a legal decision. It's just pretext - or, pretense - to excuse what they're already doing.
It's not a secret. It's just something they don't willingly bring up. User-Generated Content is not allowed to compete with what's in their store. Understandable. It's why collaboration efforts aren't allowed here without approval. Why tutorials have to be screened.
And now AI tools.

Obviously, a "legal" decision isn't going to cause them trouble. They've just announced they're going to go through the trouble of policing it regardless. What difference does it make if they do it now or later?

Unless they have reason to believe it will be legal, rendering their store obsolete.
Or maybe they're holding their breath that it will be commercially viable, rendering the social-platform obsolete.

 

[TheoAllen]

The only "user-generated" content that is not allowed is the pre-made paid one. Free resources and commissions (i.e., services) are still allowed. I have no idea what it has to do with AI.

Tutorials need to be screened has nothing to do with this. Do you know how many people wrongly posted questions on tutorial forums? Or simply the tutorial might be too low effort to be called a tutorial.

I'm not sure what is your goal in posting this tbh.
To stir up misinformation or cause drama or something.