Pokémon Corner: Crystal Version

[??????]

Not necessarily...

I mean, lets say there was such a fan game being made (for talking sake) as long as it didnt generate any income 'directly' from the creation of pokemon and nintendos ideas, you would be fine.

They could give you a C+D at any time (of course) but as long as you werent making any money they wouldnt have reason to. You could potentially receive donations to contribute to 'server upkeep' but it would not be possible to charge for any special services via in game cash shops or anything like that.

Personally, I dont think (if such a game existed) that many of the fanbase would willingly contribute towards an unofficial pokemon game that could be taken offline at any time. So its doubtful there is money to be made from such a game.

That being said, it would be great if many of the features stated could be implemented, into a real pokemon game or a fan made game.

I have previously had many thoughts on how they could dramatically improve various features and about the implementation of various features- such as trading shops that would automatically calculate the worth of any given pokemon based on all stats (iv nature etc included)

Really, theres so many features pokemon 'could' have. Unfortunately, it doesnt. Until it does - or a fan made game does - the fans will always be left dissapointed ;/

So if all the systems etc functioned like pokemon but with all the fan desired improvements that nintendo dont want to/cant implement

 

[Tai_MT]

With copyright laws, you don't have to make any money off of it for it to be against the law.  It's up to the copyright holders on whether or not to enforce the law.  Fanfiction and Youtube videos often get a pass because they're fan creations and it's somewhat rude to slap your fans in the face for such things.  However, sometimes things like fanfiction blur the lines a bit and become "original creations" on their own.  But, again, it's up to whomever owns the copyright to enforce it or not.  Even if you made a fangame that made no money and took no donations, Nintendo or Gamefreak could issue a C&D regardless.

I would love to be on the Dev Team for Pokémon and help fix all the nonsense they don't want to mess with as well as make some really cool new versions of the game.

 

[Pern]

Unfortunately, there have been many harmless fan-made games who get stopped early in development, regardless of intent. I'm surprised Omicron, Zeta and Reborn haven't yet and they are pretty far/complete. Evoas got issued a C&C issue weeks after their initial reveal. Maybe because these other three use the RPG engine? Evoas used an original one, don't know if that matters at all. Any hope to by pass the copyright and have any chance of people playing a game is to finish it before you show it, and any Pokemon MMO certainly wouldn't get far. 

 

[hyde9318]

We can argue what is and what isnt against the law all day, but we can't forget that some fan creations not only are allowed to exist, but Game Freak openly watches them as a sort of study program. Look at PokeMMO. It has gotten a pretty large fanbase and continues to make updates all the time. It is literally built on the Fire Red ROM, which by itself is illegal. However, they have been contacted by Game Freak a long time ago with a letter that pretty much said that they will allow it to survive as long as they are not selling or making money off of Game Freak created content. So how do they make money to pay for the servers? They sell staff created in-game content like custom costumes and custom items that allow you to either get boosted exp or boosted shiny chance. Sure, they are riding right on the edge of a C&C, but they have been given boundaries.


I dont feel Nintendo or Game Freak are out to stop each and every fan related content out there. That would be bad for business (not supporting fans). But it would be really stupid if a company let something go if it was guaranteed to hurt business.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

In the case if the copyright holders contacted them and made an agreement with them it stops being illegal anyway. Granted, that agreement can disappear any time Gamefreak wants it to.

 

[hyde9318]

Much better wording that my post, I admit, lol. But yeah, whenever Gamefreak decides it is game over for these fan games, they will be wiped from the face of the planet. Which is both sad and understandable at the same time. I guess we are just lucky we are talking Game Freak and not Square (Square Enix). I am pretty sure those guys get some sick pleasure from handing out Cease and Desist orders. They get their jolly from crushing hobby projects.

 

[Seacliff]

They get their jolly from crushing hobby projects.

*Cough*Chrono Resurrection*Cough*

Anyways, are there any other pokemon rom hacks that are 'legal'? (Like pokemon MMO)

 

[hyde9318]

See, hacks are technically legal unless directly stated otherwise publically. The illegal part is the download of the ROM in the first place. PokeMMO gets away with it simply because they do not and will not distribute the ROM for fire red. They give you the patcher that turns it into the MMO, but you must get the rom yourself. However, the biggest legal problems fall on the person uploading the rom in the first place. Remember kiddies, while downloading illegal copies of things is wrong and technically illegal, it is when you start uploading and distributing illegal things that you really get in some deep **** (seriously, be cool, don't distribute illegal content).


Well, that was my charitable public announcement for the month. I am now absolved of my music downloading sins... I hope.... lol.

 

[Tai_MT]

Hey, if I could plug either of my Fire Red versions into my computer to play PokeMMO, I would.  Instead, I must resort to ROM usage!

In all honesty, all this morally grey pirating copyright infringing stuff could just be solved if Nintendo would get with the program and move forward instead of dragging its feet like a child throwing a temper tantrum in a store.  Random people on the internet can make a decent MMO of Pokémon in their spare time, so why can't Nintendo and Gamefreak make an actual Pokémon MMO?  Oh yeah.  Lazy.

 

[??????]

Its not laziness, its having overly strong family values that is nintendos problem. They dont want to make mmo pokemon because it would NOT be fun for the kiddies  when they are being trolled by 20-30yr olds about their noob poke's and how my pikachu raped your [ insert relative here ]  and whatever else. Trust me. This is the biggest problem that all MMO games face - having a community that respects people. Some mmo combat it better than others, but the trolls will always make themselves heard - cause its fun ^_^

Also, I wouldnt say a pokemon rom hack is morally grey at all. Its volt white baby!
All the code that you download within the rom hack has been written by some 'hacker' using the crappy rom hacking tools that are available (freely) online. So, at worst, its an unofficial DLC for your GBA/NDS Rom.

 

[Tai_MT]

I would have to say it's laziness because they've already got those issues with other online games like Mario Kart.  Besides, most of the Pokémon fanbase at this point is older people who grew up with the franchise, not young children (where I live, Pokémon has only gotten more stigmatized over the years instead of less, so there's even less kids playing it than ever before.  Besides, most of the kids around here have games like CoD to play, why would they want Pokémon?).

On top of that, it's not like it would be difficult to put a monitoring system in play (like say, some moderators to watch chat) in order to keep it at semi family-friendly levels.  They could also give their standard disclaimers that they always give about online play as well, such as "online interactions are not guaranteed to be rated E".  The other reason I say it's laziness is look how many times they've made the same Mario game and the same Pokémon games in the last 5 to 10 years.

It's pure laziness.

 

[Mon Dez]

It's also a damn shame when kids are prioritizing graphics over gameplay, but of course pokemon has always had the same mechanics over the years so it really doesn't give much enticement on terms of gameplay. Still the fact that this generation is now going back to the bit wars or what they call the 1080p or Hi-rez or "it looks like ps2 graphics" kinda peeves me off because gameplay still factors in to majority of the gaming experience.

 

[Tai_MT]

I immediately dismiss people who talk about graphics as "the morons of gaming".  They're the "dudebros" of videogaming.  In short, they have no idea what they're talking about and want to play games based upon the same standards they judge the women they will never get.  Beauty.

Here's why graphics dudebros are stupid:  In ten years, whatever graphics they hail as "absolutely amazing and superb" are going to be "old and dated".  They will then claim that those graphics "look old" and "don't look that good" despite the fact that ten years ago, they hailed those graphics as some of the best ever.

One need only look at the CoD franchise to understand why great graphics don't make good games.  One also need only look at Dwarf Fortress to realize that you don't even need pictures to have a fantastically addictive and fun game.

 

[??????]

There was a little text adventure type game i used to play on the computers in work. Game was called 'drug lord'. You had to buy drugs from one lpace and essentially work the stock market to turn a profit by supplying the aformentioned drugs to area that where paying higher for the goods. Great little game, the only graphics was 'Arial Bold' fs...

That being said, good graphics are very pleasing to the eyes and help when putting in many hours of gaming into a single session ^_^

 

[Mon Dez]

Of course it's good to have at least some beautiful art style in a video game assuming it'll compliment the whole output of the game. On terms it's the graphic junkies that believe 1080 p makes 100% of the game in which my coworker was one and I wanted to strangle the living hell out of him.

Pokemon is one of those games I feel I can make an exception on graphical terms, but the game has had a lot and I mean a lot of setbacks when it came to its features. Ruby and Sapphire had secret bases, ripped out in the next game or should I say innovated to underground bases. Pokemon contests were fun depending on the person, but of course ripped out from future games. Now assuming this trend I hope they don't get rid of the trainer customization and add in back the things like secret bases and the pokemon contests because it adds more to the content other than just the focus on the battles. I do remember and I can't remember which Pokemon generation game had this weird underground dig feature that I assume tied in to the underground bases.

 

[Omega Weapon]

The underground bases were in D/P/Pt. While I liked the system there, I just felt that I could have the same in the overworld, with plant based bases instead of just caves. The digging for those extra items was fun and you could play Capture The Flag. Game Freak, just add in the RSE style secret bases and make us able to play Capture the Flag with them!

 

[Luminous Warrior]

Yeah, every time Game Freak adds a new feature, they take it out. I don't know much about secret bases though, because I skipped Gen 3 (long story, I regret it) and didn't really use that feature much with Gen 4. The features I miss most are from HGSS, having your Pokemon follow you and the Pokeathlon. Game Freak needs to get a clue. Don't add new features unless you plan on keeping them around.

 

[??????]

maybe they do it to give players that feel of differentiation between versions. Other than that and the pokemon, they are all essentially identical.

 

[Tai_MT]

If they want a "feel od differentiation between versions", they already have it.  I mean, every new generation tends to add new Pokémon to the game and a new set of gyms and new elite four and new locations.

Also...

Am I the only one who hasn't used the Bicycle or anything else of that nature since Gen 2?  Seriously, once we got "running shoes", I haven't used anything else.  Sure, the bike is fast, but it's hard to control and limits exploration by basically moving at mach 9000.  Now we have the roller skates which I also don't use either, unless I see one of those rail thingies and an item on the other side of it.

When you can hold B to run (or in some of the BETTER versions of the game, simply switch them on and they stay on all the time everywhere you go) and you move twice as fast... why do I need to move even faster than that?  Why do I need a bike?  Why do I need roller skates?  With routes getting shorter and shorter and places where you can use bikes and roller skates are becoming less and less...  Why do we need these features?  I'm in favor of simply getting rid of them altogether.

While we're at it...  If the next Gen of Pokémon doesn't have "Innate HM's/TM's", I'm going to be irritated.  I am really not a fan of having to teach water Pokémon how to Surf and waste a move slot for that.  I'm not a fan of teaching Pokémon with blades how to use Cut either.  These should simply be "Innates" on your Pokémon, or maybe unlocked on them in some manner like the Super Training, once we have the correct badge.  Then, once the mon learned it "Innately", you could also decide to take up a slot of your movesets with it, if you liked the ability (like Fly or Surf).  I really don't like having HM/TM Whores in my party just to access areas for a single item, or to progress in the game.  You are effectively handicapping your team with these moves in most instances, and the devs are forcing you to do it.

 

[??????]

I always thought that too.

for example, if a pokemon was water type - it REALISTICALLY (yea, I said it!) could swim. Fair enough, small pokemon wouldnt really be able to hold a trainer on their back, but a Blastiose... Cmon Man...

They could just use the stats that are already there, like height and weight combined with type and species to determine if a pokemon knows HM moves or not.