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Im looking for an affordable decent laptop that i can buy upgrade for as i have need. I was wondering if this was possible, and if so, what brands were best for this sort of thing. 

I really dont know much about computers, i know the bare minimum of how to operate one obviously but not much more...although, i know that i have heard that its hard to upgrade most brand-name computers.

Anyway, if anyone can enlighten me a little, id appreciate it :) .  
 
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If you were looking for something budget, I got my Toshiba Satellite C55 with 4 GB and 2.13 GhZ processor for only $300. It runs RPG Maker decently and you'll hardly ever need anything more than 4 GB of memory anyway, unless you were going complete gaming. I highly recommend my Toshiba computers because of it's extremely bright screen (seriously, who needs a flashlight in Slender's forest when you've got this baby?). In the case you ARE going full gaming mode, though, I'd recommend looking into some Acer or Asus computers: they're the real backbone of good "gaming" computers that can also be used for every day tasks.

You can read here about some gaming laptops that aren't Alienwares that are under $1000: http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/gaming-laptops-under-1000/
 

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If you were looking for something budget, I got my Toshiba Satellite C55 with 4 GB and 2.13 GhZ processor for only $300. It runs RPG Maker decently and you'll hardly ever need anything more than 4 GB of memory anyway, unless you were going complete gaming. I highly recommend my Toshiba computers because of it's extremely bright screen (seriously, who needs a flashlight in Slender's forest when you've got this baby?). In the case you ARE going full gaming mode, though, I'd recommend looking into some Acer or Asus computers: they're the real backbone of good "gaming" computers that can also be used for every day tasks.

You can read here about some gaming laptops that aren't Alienwares that are under $1000: http://www.gaminglaptopsjunky.com/gaming-laptops-under-1000/
Thank you :) ! I actually have a toshiba satellite laptop right now, and it has been a very good computer....its just kind of old now. Its battery is weak and the hinge is broke, and its slowed down a lot, i remember when i could run Oblivion on medium with little lag...can hardly run on low now :C. Anyway, If i can get a new one i intend to use it for some light gaming as well as school and RPG Maker.... But i will have a look at your link :)

EDIT: But, i heard that Acer and Asus were...kind of crappy actually. Are they really decent brands?.
 
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I think I heard that Acer and Asus used to be the same company due to differences of opinion on how to make the computers.  Acer focuses on making things cheap but isn't as good with quality and Asus focuses more on quality but isn't as cheap.  I usually like ASUS, I've got one right now, but lately the quality hasn't been as good as before.  It may have just been the one I got though.  After a bit of fixing this one has lasted me a while.  The plug, not so much, I'm on my third one.
 

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I think I heard that Acer and Asus used to be the same company due to differences of opinion on how to make the computers.  Acer focuses on making things cheap but isn't as good with quality and Asus focuses more on quality but isn't as cheap.  I usually like ASUS, I've got one right now, but lately the quality hasn't been as good as before.  It may have just been the one I got though.  After a bit of fixing this one has lasted me a while.  The plug, not so much, I'm on my third one.
Yeah....im kind of afraid of getting either brand. ... i was thinking of putting a laptop in lay away in the kmart here, but all they have are Acer, Asus and Gateways...ive heard that Gateway computers are kind of bad too. But my mom has one thats lasted her a while now...its slow, but then again she has A LOT of yahoo chat room sort of things running in the back ground that i know contribute to that so....maybe their not so bad as ive heard.  
 

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I've had an Acer, and for the last six years, and it's been working really well for me~ I've seen them start at around $250-300, and come with much better specs than mine. Hence why I'd really like to get a new one. Q^Q

If you ever need more space, an external HDD (hard disk drive) is as low as $40-50 bucks for like 500+GB of space, so you probably wouldn't need to worry there. I'd say Acer or Asus, as mentioned above.  :)

My friend got a 1TB windows 7 desktop a year after I got my Acer...and it's been acting up since 3 years ago. I sometimes feel like it's more about the luck of the draw now and days, no matter who makes it. :(
 

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Well, the thing is, companies change.  So a company that used to be all about cheap could be doing quality now and vice versa.  I've heard that Acer is getting a lot better about quality in recent years.  Asus, while not as good as I remember it, is still making a good computer so as long as it hasn't gotten worse since I bought this one it should be fine.  I have to say though, I can't think of anyone that had good things to say about Gateway computers.

Edit:  Yeah, I think the luck of the draw thing is true.  From what I've heard I've had pretty bad luck with this computer.  But Asus replaced the bad drive so it's all good.
 
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I have to say though, I can't think of anyone that had good things to say about Gateway computers.
Ok ,thanks for that. Stay away from Gateways, consider embracing Acer/Asus. :) Next chance i get im going to have a closer look at the ones at my Kmart.
 

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So, I feel compelled to chip in here...
Do you, in fact, need it to be a laptop?
If budget is a concern, desktops can give you a LOT more bang for your buck, in terms of storage space, memory and in particular, upgrade options.
Of course, if this is a computer you need to schlep to and from class or something, desktops do not have any particular utility in that respect, but if you don't *need* portability, there is really little justification for picking a laptop...
 

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All companies have useless notebooks and good notebooks - instead of looking only at the brand, you need to look at the technical data. In most cases that will tell you if a notebook is well constructed or made to get the money from the customer by making it as cheap as possible.


Stay away from the Intel Atom and current Intel Pentium processors as well as their AMD equivalents (don't know how those are named). Those processor series are constructed for minimum power consumption and a lot slower than anything else. The Pentium series might be OK if you don't need much in the way of 3D graphics, but an Atom 2 GHz is about as fast as an Core i5 with less than 1 GHz - DON'T just look at the operating frequency of the processor, that is no longer an indication of power if you get into the wrong series.


Notebooks always have only limited upgrade capacity - you cannot change the graphic card or the processor later. Only RAM and Harddrive are usually upgradable.


As for RAM: make sure that the notebook either has 8GB or can be upgraded to 8GB later. There are a lot of notebooks that are limited to 4GB max, and that will hurt soon (16GB max would be better if you want to use it for several years, but not needed unless you do a lot of picture work)
 

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It really depends on what you will be doing with the laptop.

My mom purchased one with 9 hour battery life, I think 6 GB of RAM (she doesn't know or care), a 15' screen, built-in Wi-Fi for around $300.  All she uses it for is running MS Office and demoing videos when she's at bookstores, so it's perfect for her modest needs.

I also like what Andar wrote above.  You need to consider what you might want to do, and make sure the laptop also fits in with that.  You can NEVER upgrade the video card or processor in a laptop.  You can upgrade the hard drive and memory, the latter up to the maximum the motherboard allows.

Personally, the bare minimum requirements I would have for a laptop are:

- 6 GB of RAM (this can be upgraded at least to 8 GB of RAM if necessary)

- 500 GB HD space

- Intel Core i3 or better

I assume, obviously, you'd be using RPG Maker VX Ace or XP, but I don't think either of these programs has heavy resource requirements.   Any modestly priced laptop you purchase will more than fill the bill.  

So, if all you are doing is:  RPG Maker, browse the web/e-mail, play Facebook games, play older or non-3D video games, use a word processor/spreadsheet/etc, just about any laptop will do.  I would make sure the laptop has a built-in CD/DVD drive, but that's the only thing I'd check for.  In my case, I have a laptop with, by today's standards, modest specs, but it works very well for that I do with it (basically this tier).

If you tend to have a lot of windows open, and do a lot of stuff at once, you might benefit from more RAM or a faster processor, but it's not critical. 

Now, if you are doing things like:  Composing music or video editing --- basically creating complex custom content --- you would benefit from a harder hard drive and a faster CPU.  Here, I'd go with the Intel i7 (avoid AMD because, when running a non-multithreaded application, the Intel seems to perform better than the AMD), at least 8 GB of RAM and a 1 TB hard drive.  But at this price point, you're looking at spending around, at least, $700.

For my personal uses, which fit in with the above, I would buy:

- At least 8 GB of RAM

- 500 GB HD (I would use an external USB drive for other storage and backup)

- Intel Core i7, at least 2.4 GHz

I wouldn't pay extra for a separate video chip, which would bump the cost up to around $1500 or so, because at least Dell only puts that option in their higher end laptops with more RAM, a bigger hard drive and a bigger screen.  A separate built-in video chip is only really needed if you want to do 3D video games with good settings and framerates.  If you're using a good CPU like the above, the onboard video will let you run 3D video games, just not as well.

Of course, if you really want to play the high end modern games on your laptop, it's time to get into the really ultra-expensive world of gaming laptops.  These will have such bells and whistles as:  separate built-in video chip (possibly more than 1!), huge hard drives, possibly even SSD hard drives (these are much more expensive but really boost the performance and battery life of even a modest laptop), and a lot of RAM.  These start out around $1000 and go WAY up from there.

Also, the higher end the laptop, the worse the battery life, as a rule of thumb.  So if you don't need an ultra-fancy machine, getting a more modest one may give you longer battery life.  Personally, I'd swap out the hard drive for an SSD (500 GB costs $250 or so) because it does improve battery life and system performance (boot times plummeted from 1 minute to around 10 seconds for my desktop), but you probably can't buy that as a factory option on most systems.

I would not go with a screen smaller than 15' on any laptop.  As for brands, I've had good luck with Dell (although I REALLY hate that stupid rubber nub mouse controller in the middle of the keyboard since it always interferes with my typing), Sony.  My mom purchased an HP laptop.  I also had a Toshiba laptop that lasted for 8 years or so --- until the battery set on fire (!), since it was an old battery. 
 
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My advice as a person who works on a Store is: go for Toshiba, Asus or Acer (on this order) but never, EVER, HP  :)

About the computer itself, it all depends of how much money does your budget include  ;)

Here in Portugal, for 599€ you can have an Intel i5 1,7GHz with a Geforce 840M with 2GB dedicated, 1 TB and 4 GB of RAM 15,9" Acer with excellent costumer reviews so far.

The name: ACER E5-571G-503L

If you're not into "real" gaming, and you think that 1GB dedicated Graphic Card is enough for you, then for the same 599€ you have this one, which has an Intel Core i7 with 2.0 GHz and a 3.1 GHz Turbo.

The name: ACER E5-571G-72M5
 
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but never, EVER, HP  :)
That is not entirely correct, and a good example for my point above.
HP has two different lines of computer products: Consumer and Business


The Consumer-PCs and NBs were made to be cheap - and are cheap in every sense of the word. For those, the quote above is correct: stay away.


The business devices however are very good and have high quality - together with a higher price.


And that's the reason why you seldom see them in a regular store: they don't sell to people who look only at part of the technical data, because they look like having the same power as the consumer products while being a lot more expensive.


OK, that price is a reason to look elsewhere as well because they are more expensive if you want to get a good quality - but if you need that quality (and reliability) then they're better than most of the others, because every company needs to make money. And for most regular uses the best option is the middle ground between price and quality, and the HP's I know of are either below or above that target zone.
 

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From my experience the Consumer line is crappy, worse than any other brand... And the Business line is overpriced.

Usually 100€ to 150€ than Toshiba (example) more for exactly same components...
 

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My opinion.

WARNING:

THIS IS BIASED TO MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]First off I repair PCs for 20 years, having some experience with laptops.[/SIZE]

Most laptops have "trap doors" to their bottom that just unscrewing two screws you can change HDD or RAM.

Some laptops have the convenience to maintain the heatsink by removing such a trapdoor so you can remove dust but...

MOST of the time this trapdoor does not exist in many models.

Even worse... you have to disassemble the whole laptop sometimes to reach the heat sink mechanism. 

A budget good brand for laptops in my opinion is Toshiba.

It is also a brand that helps technicians repair - maintain laptops instead of making it a hell to disassemble to clean it.

No difference for you, but if you have a friend that can do maintenance for free, Toshiba laptops are not a headake.

Toshiba also comes with a bunch of models that endure well through time, produce no rust and are really good deals.

P.S. My sister just bought her brand new laptop a few days ago. Toshiba. Low price, good for a casual user and it can even play some modern games really decently.
 
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A budget good brand for laptops in my opinion is Toshiba.

It is also a brand that helps technicians repair - maintain laptops instead of making it a hell to disassemble to clean it.

No difference for you, but if you have a friend that can do maintenance for free, Toshiba laptops are not a headake.

Toshiba also comes with a bunch of models that endure well through time, produce no rust and are really good deals.

P.S. My sister just bought her brand new laptop a few days ago. Toshiba. Low price, good for a casual user and it can even play some modern games really decently.
Exactly, like I said go for Toshiba first. Mine is a Toshiba as well, 2 year old already and never overheated, never broke down. Keep it clean and format it from time to time and you'll be good. It's what I do with mine  :)
 
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So, I feel compelled to chip in here...Do you, in fact, need it to be a laptop?If budget is a concern, desktops can give you a LOT more bang for your buck, in terms of storage space, memory and in particular, upgrade options.Of course, if this is a computer you need to schlep to and from class or something, desktops do not have any particular utility in that respect, but if you don't *need* portability, there is really little justification for picking a laptop...
Portable really is what I need right now...because reasons. I would rather buy a desktop though, but i move around a lot...I'm going to look around for a good Toshiba, or an Asus.

Thank you everyone for your input, you've all been really helpful :) .
 

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From my experience so far plus my friends, Dell or Acer seems to be good options too (years ago, Acer made comps had a lot of problems but it seems like their products in the last few years were good)... We used to have two dells at home (one of them is my recently dead laptop which I used for around 5 years, used to run them almost 24 hrs a day during weekends and when I have no classes), they work good. Though they are pretty heavy. My current one is an Acer using an i3, 4GB ram with Intel HD graphics and 1TB HDD... So far it seems to be working fine. In our country, there isn't much price difference between the brands (with same specs) so I can't comment on which would be cheaper...
 

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From my experience so far plus my friends, Dell or Acer seems to be good options too (years ago, Acer made comps had a lot of problems but it seems like their products in the last few years were good)... We used to have two dells at home (one of them is my recently dead laptop which I used for around 5 years, used to run them almost 24 hrs a day during weekends and when I have no classes), they work good. Though they are pretty heavy. My current one is an Acer using an i3, 4GB ram with Intel HD graphics and 1TB HDD... So far it seems to be working fine. In our country, there isn't much price difference between the brands (with same specs) so I can't comment on which would be cheaper...
Nice comment. I really like this kind of information, but there is just one small problem. Acer models show their weakness after 4 years. Of course 4 years is a decent time to start malfunctions, but my standard is always 5+. Anyway, that is the problem here. A few years is no decent time. But five years using a Dell... well I would like to know the model. ;) Just to know about a past good model out there by Dell.

My last experience was a lady bringing a Dell to me, that needed reballing to the on board graphics card. I had no equipment so I used a heat gun. Yup fixed it! :p But it was tragic :/
 

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I always felt that creating your own computer from scratch is the best way to go. Besides the obvious ability to customize and upgrade your parts, you get to choose quality stuff from different manufacturers, rather than be stuck with generic, low cost motherboards, RAMs, graphic cards, etc. Making a reasonably powerful computer can cost less than average gaming laptop.

I had an Acer laptop 10 years ago with windows XP. It really put up with a lot of abuse and lasted for 5+ years without even a single dead pixel or slow down. Could have lasted longer if I didn't give it to a friend.

Then I got a middle level Dell around 5 years ago and even though it handled games reasonably well, it gave up the ghost just as the warranty expired (1 year).

After that I got an Asus, and despite having slightly better specs than the Dell, it was slower in every way - start-up, gaming, document processing, etc. Removing all the shovelware didn't help.

Gave that to my mother and got myself a Samsung. So far it is holding itself well. Only problem with that brand is the lack of company support if you have problems.

A friend of mine loved Toshiba, until it practically bricked itself due to a built-in safety measurein the bios.

MSI's life span is probably worse than Dell's. A friend of mine got 3 months out of it before the wireless card failed, and 6 months before everything else did. No warranty there unfortunately.

AMD is terrible as a processor for gaming enthusiasts.

If you can, try getting a laptop that still has Windows 7. Windows 7 can process newer software as well as the hardware allows it. Windows 8 seems to be slower at processing older applications.

Untimately, the best laptop you can possibly get is one that you can get support with when you need it without having to drive to the next town.
 

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