Resource Packs

[Redweaver]

I want a program where I can just drag and drop an elaborated story involving dragons and romance between the main male swordsman and the female cleric, a complex Junction system like in Final Fantasy VIII, beautiful illustrated backgrounds, and all those fancy glamorous things!


Because man, creating them is such a pain in the ass. In fact making games is such a pain in the ass. Someone please make it happen for me because I can't program a basic "Hello World!" pop-up for the love of God.

That's cute. Because everything that goes into creating a game is totally analogous to installing a couple of files.


Sarcasm fail, bud.

 

[mlogan]

Look, I just want to buy a resource pack, put it into my game project and get about making my game. Its not a pain in the butt in your opinion. Fine. You're allowed that opinion. I think it is a pain in the butt. Am I allowed that opinion?

First off, I apologize as I missed where you posted the links.  Second off, I was not being rude or sarcastic (I know it's hard to tell online) - I truly wanted to know.  Because as others have pointed out, it seems that most of the people struggling with are those who have not yet taken the time to figure out how to do it. 

 

[Shaz]

I did not tell you not to ask for it (though I'm inclined to - once an admin has locked a thread saying it's resolved - even if the resolution is "nothing will be done" - there's no reason for you to go and create it again). I told you not to double post. If you don't know what that means, you should look up the rules, which I linked to when I told you that, and learn what it means

Still certain that no one who knows how to do this wouldn't like an easier way.

No, I like the way it is, because I have the option of picking and choosing tiles from different sets to make my own tilesets. Couldn't do that with a bulk importer.
And you're assuming that people who struggle, after reading a guide, would have absolutely no issues with using a tool to do it all? That they wouldn't need a guide to use the tool, and that having a guide, they wouldn't still have trouble?


We have people who struggle to import using the built-in facility that's already there (to pick transparent/semi-transparent colours). What you're talking about is quite a lot more complex than that.


If we stop posting, the thread will not die, because you will not allow it to. Locking it allows it to die

 

[Redweaver]

Ah, now see. If I wanted my points ignored I'd have gone posted elsewhere. Obviously you don't read replies. Nevermind then, no use arguing with a troll.

Your idea won't work because just mass installing different packs will mess with transparencies.

I'm not asking to mass install multiple packs. Now who's not reading replies?

 

[Redweaver]

No, I like the way it is, because I have the option of picking and choosing tiles from different sets to make my own tilesets. Couldn't do that with a bulk importer.


And you're assuming that people who struggle, after reading a guide, would have absolutely no issues with using a tool to do it all? That they wouldn't need a guide to use the tool, and that having a guide, they wouldn't still have trouble?


We have people who struggle to import using the built-in facility that's already there (to pick transparent/semi-transparent colours). What you're talking about is quite a lot more complex than that.

Great! Then having a program that automates this for the people that want it wouldn't affect you in the slightest, would it?


Other people aren't allowed to want something different than you do?

 

[Ksi]

You want the ability to install all of a pack. That counts as mass install. Look I read something. Seems you missed the points made already.

*Thousands of people have had no issue adding content into their games over the 10+ years that the series has been out - even the ones with less than stellar translations or no documentation at all.

*It's fricking easy to use.

*It does a lot more than just importing. You can - Delete, Export, Zoom in, Change transparencies as well as add

*It works perfectly fine.

*Most people don't just import whole packs because there are going to be pieces they don't use that will cause unnecessary bloat in their game. Which is a BAD THING.

*It's easy as balls.

 

[Neverward]

Yeah and people also sit in drive through's complaining about how it's not easy enough. But nobody caters to them.

You not only didn't understand/read the points that Ksi and I made (I deduced this because you didn't repond to them at all) you just went and made the same statement we responded to, exactly. the. same.

Okay, so the program won't work for Shaz, and the many other people out there but are you SERIOUSLY denying the logic that people who are obviously not capable of looking at guides, explanations, etc, would have an equally hard time with your system?

You are obviously being belligerent, and don't even want to take into account what people are talking about. Sooooo I'm finished here, as Ksi said, if you simply will ignore the points which address the issues in your idea, then your whole 'discussion' would be useless even if people wanted to do what your talking about.

 

[EvilEagles]

I don't see how anybody with enough knowledge to make this happen for you would even bother to do that, just so people could skip a few steps that are as easy to do as picking up the spoon and shoving it in your mouth. Sure if you find that process tedious, but hey, guess what, we and the people who are capable of making such facilitator for you, don't.

Basically if you really believe it would help that many people, why don't you try picking up programming and doing it yourself?

 

[Redweaver]

You want the ability to install all of a pack. That counts as mass install. Look I read something. Seems you missed the points made already.

Then we have different definitions of "mass install". I think "mass install" means installing multiple packs. I just want to install the entirety of one pack. I don't consider that a "mass install".


But at least we're not talking past each other about this any more.

*Thousands of people have had no issue adding content into their games over the 10+ years that the series has been out - even the ones with less than stellar translations or no documentation at all.


*It's fricking easy to use.


*It does a lot more than just importing. You can - Delete, Export, Zoom in, Change transparencies as well as add


*It works perfectly fine.


*Most people don't just import whole packs because there are going to be pieces they don't use that will cause unnecessary bloat in their game. Which is a BAD THING.


*It's easy as balls.

These are all great reasons for you personally to not make use of this.


These are all also great reasons for what I'm asking for to not change anything about what you're doing.


These are all TERRIBLE reasons to not create an automated solution. They are simply your preferences.


Yes, people CAN learn how to do that. I feel there's already plenty to learn with the editor, that if we can remove something that really is small, mindless, unimportant and which really has nothing to do with the actual time spend developing then THAT'S AWESOME. When there's so much to learn with the editor, also learning how to install DLC, which is a process that CAN be automated, is a WASTE OF TIME!

 

[Archeia]

FYI, in the main store/amazon pack versions, I DID make the resource packs come as a self batch installer so you can install them automatically into a folder with 2 clicks. Steam's way of handling distribution is different.

 

[Ksi]

Frankly, if resource adding is too hard for you, then god forbid you have to search through for bloat, or create maps or do anything remotely like work on a game.

Perhaps RM is just not the hobby for you.

 

[Redweaver]

I don't see how anybody with enough knowledge to make this happen for you would even bother to do that, just so people could skip a few steps that are as easy to do as picking up the spoon and shoving it in your mouth. Sure if you find that process tedious, but hey, guess what, we and the people who are capable of making such facilitator for you, don't.


Basically if you really believe it would help that many people, why don't you try picking up programming and doing it yourself?

Maybe because I'm a paying customer spending money for a product that I'd like to see improved? Maybe because I feel like improving and/or changing this system in any way is the purview of the folks selling the product? Maybe because I have other things to do and I don't see any harm in asking other people to help me out?


Basically if you really believe this wouldn't help you, then why don't you try to ignore it?

 

[EvilEagles]

Yes, people CAN learn how to do that. I feel there's already plenty to learn with the editor, that if we can remove something that really is small, mindless, unimportant and which really has nothing to do with the actual time spend developing then THAT'S AWESOME. When there's so much to learn with the editor, also learning how to install DLC, which is a process that CAN be automated, is a WASTE OF TIME!

Might as well ask for something that can automate your entire life, don't you think? They're all irrelevant to game development aren't they?

 

[Redweaver]

Frankly, if resource adding is too hard for you, then god forbid you have to search through for bloat, or create maps or do anything remotely like work on a game.


Perhaps RM is just not the hobby for you.

Yeah, I'm just too lazy.


By the way, here's the first in my 24+ hour video tutorial series where I teach newbs how to use this software:




And here's the video showcase for my first full game that's in progress with over 11,000 views:




That game has about 5000 downloads so far across all iterations.


But, yeah, this just isn't the hobby for me.

 

[Archeia]

FYI, in the main store/amazon pack versions, I DID make the resource packs come as a self batch installer so you can install them automatically into a folder with 2 clicks. Steam's way of handling distribution is different.

 

[Redweaver]

Might as well ask for something that can automate your entire life, don't you think? They're all irrelevant to game development aren't they?

Or I can be a reasonable adult and ask for things that automate what I don't want to do so I can focus my efforts on the things I do want to do.

I suspect if you're being honest, you'll admit you do this, too. But I won't hold my breath for an apology.

FYI, in the main store/amazon pack versions, I DID make the resource packs come as a self batch installer so you can install them automatically into a folder with 2 clicks. Steam's way of handling distribution is different.

So you can't change the DLC themselves.

This stops you from making a small, additional program that handles this how, exactly?

 

[Neverward]

It's hardly even worth repeating yourself Archeia, he has ignored all of the reasonable statements, and only replied to the most extreme ones, proving that he is, in fact, trolling us at this point. Or perhaps he is unwilling to take into account the points which he's unable to argue with, as he's already at the point of just wanting to win the argument at all cost. We've strayed from talking about the system to measuring d**ks.

 

[Shaz]

Redweaver, please avoid double posting, as it is against the forum rules. You can review our forum rules here. Thank you.


Seriously - this is the third time you've done it. Stop doing it! Edit your previous post or use the MultiQuote button!


If you want it, there's nothing stopping you asking someone, or hiring someone, to make it. Don't ask EB or Degica to do it for you, because it's obviously not a high priority for them.

 

[Ksi]

Because why the Frick is it necessary when people will have to learn to use it anyway? Why the Frick is it needed when there's already a program within the actual program that does that **** for you? WHY THE Frick IS IT NEEDED WHEN DOCUMENTATION fricking TELLS YOU HOW TO DO IT?

For God's sake man, why is this necessary when there's a better program in the actual engine that does more **** than this? It's not.

AND WHY THE Frick CAN'T I SWEAR? ;.;

Also, I would like to point out that I wasn't implying that you're lazy. Only that you're stupid.

 

[Redweaver]

It's hardly even worth repeating yourself Archeia, he has ignored all of the reasonable statements, and only replied to the most extreme ones, proving that he is, in fact, trolling us at this point. Or perhaps he is unwilling to take into account the points which he's unable to argue with, as he's already at the point of just wanting to win the argument at all cost. We've strayed from talking about the system to measuring d**ks.

I disagree that they are reasonable. That's why they've been ignored. Or, rather, that's why I've carefully replied to each one to point out why I disagree.


But, yeah, that's totally me just ignoring you.

Redweaver, please avoid double posting, as it is against the forum rules. You can review our forum rules here. Thank you.


Seriously - this is the third time you've done it. Stop doing it! Edit your previous post or use the MultiQuote button!


If you want it, there's nothing stopping you asking someone, or hiring someone, to make it. Don't ask EB or Degica to do it for you, because it's obviously not a high priority for them.

You guys are ganging up on me, and I'm replying the best I can. Perhaps if the wolf pack could calm down a little bit.


Actually, the quickest way to stop me double posting is to stop replying to me


If you genuinely have an issue with this thread, then let it die!