Samurai & Fencer (edit: poll)

Name this class/job!


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So I've been contemplating these 2 Jobs/Classes which both happen to use a single "finesse"-type blade. A Katana in the case of the Samurai, and a Rapier in the case of the Fencer. In other words, both these swordsmen rely more on Dexterity over brute Strength. Thus, would it make sense to create an amalgamation of the Samurai & Fencer, at least mechanically speaking? Such a class would hence be restricted to "finesse" weapons, such as the aforementioned Katana or Rapier. However, "light" weapons like Daggers should not be usable since DW is not the goal here, imo.

Okay, but now what should I call this class? Swordsman? Duelist? Blademaster? None of those names really do it for me though (too vague)...thoughts?

Edit: Also cuz, thematically speaking, a feudal Japanese Samurai wouldn't fit into my game's lore. Nor would an 18th century French/Italian Fencer, for that matter. Thus, I'm trying to come up w/ an archetype that utilizes a single nimble blade as their main weapon.
 
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Blademaster/Swordmaster will suffice. Fencer also can work, as that is the accurate term for swordsmen that practices the way of the sword as a sport.

Alternatively, if your world has a name for its practice with a sword, give that a user-equivalent.
 

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Duelist sounds neat for a dexy quick boi, the other two makes me think "options" rather than speed and finesse. Would it be wrong to think a "sword master" could roll up brandishing a great sword at some point?
 

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Would it be wrong to think a "sword master" could roll up brandishing a great sword at some point?
It would not, though I think OP has weapon restrictions based on class, so that's an unlikely scenario here.
 

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That was basically the issue I had w/ "Blademaster" or "Swordsman"...as in the player might think they could use any kind of blade/sword. But I'm looking for something that screams "I wield a finesse-type sword!", though I guess the best I'm gonna get is "Duelist"...

However, some (younger?) players or those whose 1st language is not English may mistake "Duelist" to mean someone that Dual Wields. Hence why I'm searching for alternatives.
 

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I personally find it kind of hard to picture a katana and a rapier being lumped into the same category. One is a slashing weapon, and one is a piercing weapon. The fighting styles required to use them effectively are just so different from each other, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for one class to be adept with both weapons. But I don't suppose that a fantasy game really needs to be super realistic, so I doubt that many people would question it.

As far as what to call it goes, I don't really like Swordsman or Blademaster, simply because both of those titles imply that the class should probably be able to use all types of swords, rather than being restricted to just the katana and rapier. And I'd also picture a Blademaster being able to dual wield. Duelist would probably work. Maybe Swashbuckler would work, though maybe not with the katana thing.
 

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Fear not. It's called Swordmaster/Blademaster, not Swordsmaster/Bladesmaster.

As for people interpreting Duelist wrong, I wouldn't worry about it. "Duelist" means that the person is experienced in 1-on-1 fighting, and that implies mastery over 1-handed weapons. If your game has a class named Rogue/Thief/Assassin, they'll expect those to dual wield instead, diverting that expectation.
 

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You can always have a make believe profession it its a new lore from another world. For example Lighthazard uses rapiers to deal piercing damage, additional strikes as agility stat goes up. Specializes on ignore def and breaking enemy speed, inflicts cripple.
NightStalk uses katana, infuses blade with several elemental magic. Evolves into SoulBlade, deals heavy sword magic AoE, must specializes into unique elements earth fire wind and water. Final Form, Astral Blade, receives awakening, gaining power from the cosmos and celestial gate powers, able to uses healing and buff magic, protecting allies.
 
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Hmm, I guess my best bet is to create a fictional sword style or martial art. Maybe also rooted in Elven culture? Sigh, I'm honestly not the best worldbuilder though... Maybe I need to start looking for teammates on this project lol.

Edit: How does "Bladesong" sound?
@AphoticAmaranth I also like "Blade Dancer" too!

I was basically envisioning a swordsman who's so graceful with the blade that the sound of his/her sword cutting through the air creates a beautiful melody as attacks are chained one after another.
 
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However, some (younger?) players or those whose 1st language is not English may mistake "Duelist" to mean someone that Dual Wields. Hence why I'm searching for alternatives.
I wouldn't think so. Also, much of my vocabulary was built in my playing of games and looking up the words I didn't know. Duelist seems the best to me, but there are other questions that might help come up with alternatives...

Can characters change class at will? Is this for a specific character(s) with a certain personality?

When I think of "finesse" weapons, I think of elegance, brain>brawn, high-status, noble, aristocrat, etc. ESPECIALLY when rapiers are involved. Does this conception fit into your lore with regards to this fighter class? I did a quick search for words that describe people of high social status, but my google-fu is pretty poor... and honestly, "Duelist" fits perfectly into the high-mastery, dex-based, accuracy fighter concept.
 

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Yea, a noble/aristocratic vibe is definitely fitting. Even in the Samurai's case, they were considered nobility pre-Meiji revolution era. I really don't have any issues with "Duelist", but I have experienced instances where people thought Duelist = Dualist. I personally would never confuse the 2, but there are people out there with subpar English.
 

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Swordmaster, Sword Saint, Bladesworn, Sellsword, Mercenary, Wayfarer. I wouldn't worry too much about people confusing it for a class that can wield every type of sword, though I do wonder why Katanas and Rapiers are lumped together like that. If there's no Japan-equivalent country in your fantasy world, then Katanas probably shouldn't even exist, unless you call them something else entirely and invent a new culture that utilizes it. You could probably just change "Katanas" to "Curved Swords" and still fit a similar niche.
 

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Swordmaster I think does it all. It says sword, it implies one, it indicates mastery.

On the whole katana thing: you can still call them katanas even if Japan doesn't exist in the game world. People call them swords and the USA and England don't exist in the game world, after all.
 

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I guess w/o the existence of Japan, Katanas could perhaps have originated from another culture...maybe with Elven roots?
 

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I would go with Swordancer or Blademancer.

Although I must say I never saw Samurais as a finesse type class, more like a two-hand sword type class. I always remember FFT's classes where I would use the Samurai class until my character could use dual hand wielding.
 

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Katanas are like that rare breed of weapon that happens to be both "versatile" & "finesse" at the same time, imo. I can't think of any other weapon with both properties.
 

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I guess w/o the existence of Japan, Katanas could perhaps have originated from another culture...maybe with Elven roots?
Funny you should mention elves. Pathfinder actually has a curved blade made by elves known as the Elven Curve Blade (creative I know.... xD)
And while it's not a 1 for 1 Katana it does share certain similarities such as a thinner blade/abnormal guard.

You may consider looking at other curved blades as well such as the: Shamshir, Talwar, the ever popular Katana, the Scimitar, the Khopesh, some versions of the Calvary Sword, the Kukri, a very strangely shaped Yataghan, Sabers, etc.
 

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Swordmaster I think does it all. It says sword, it implies one, it indicates mastery.

On the whole katana thing: you can still call them katanas even if Japan doesn't exist in the game world. People call them swords and the USA and England don't exist in the game world, after all.
"Katana" basically means "sword". (of a particular time period and forging technique) There are many, MANY types. In contrast, a rapier is a fairly specific type of sword.

So, I also think it is odd to lump rapiers with "katanas", as the style of fighing and use is almost entirely different, rapiers being almost obligate thrusting swords and katanas being mostly cut-centric swords. For a little more flair and to try to come slightly closer in blade style, instead of simply using the term "katana", another form of japanese sword could be referenced, like perhaps "tsurugi", which is a double-edged straight sword. Or perhaps the "jian", a double edged straight sword from China.

And in THAT case, your class name could refer, perhaps, to being well-traveled and worldly.
 

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