Samurai Pack bonus game

[d_a_renoir]

So... I happen to see that in the Japanese version of the Samurai RTP pack they included a bonus sample game of sorts. Was that game ever ported to English or at least available for download somewhere? I don't recall it being part of the English purchase or find the game uploaded anywhere, but I might be just looking in the wrong places or something.

I would have purchased the Japanese version just to get that game, but it doesn't ship internationally.

 

[Archeia]

It's not released anywhere. I'll try to bring it up sometime.

 

[Jomarcenter]

try to ask someone who own the Japanese version. And see if they can give you a copy of that bonus game. (You already own the English version of the pack so I don't think the English and Japanese version of the resources are different license)

 

[Jay_NOLA]

Would love to be able to get the Edo period sample game as it contains new music for use with the Samurai materials, which according to the Japanese web page can be used in other games.

Only other thing I'm not sure of is if sprite sheet got omitted in the English release is the sprites J_People6 face set.

 

[d_a_renoir]

try to ask someone who own the Japanese version. And see if they can give you a copy of that bonus game. (You already own the English version of the pack so I don't think the English and Japanese version of the resources are different license)

But I don't know WHO owns the JP version of the game! How do I even look for people who do?

It's not released anywhere. I'll try to bring it up sometime.

Heheh, I sure hope it will come out soon It looks reaaaally fun! Like, one of the screenshots say you can purchase information from the police station (in-game). Maybe there's a mystery we have to solve?

Would love to be able to get the Edo period sample game as it contains new music for use with the Samurai materials, which according to the Japanese web page can be used in other games.

I daresay it's a Sengoku period game rather than Edo. They advertised the tiles as being Sengoku-themed and the Actors are the freaking warlords of the time (and fem!Versions of them). I think Masamune Date is the most obvious one. That demon guy from  Actor 1 charset and faceset is Nobunaga. The bearded old guy with a helmet covered in fur is Shingen Takeda. The orange-haired guy whose sprite looks kind of like Ralph is Yukimura Sanada. The battler with spikes coming out of his helmet is Hideyoshi (Hashiba) Toyotomi. The guy with the crescent-like leaf wreath is Ieyasu Tokugawa. Etc etc etc.

 

[ShinGamix]

who knew there was a bonus game with that..I sure didn't.

 

[d_a_renoir]

I know because I got linked to the Japanese Enterbrain store while looking for Japanese building references. Then I saw that it had a bonus game included with the pack.

 

[Jay_NOLA]

The bonus game does have a 1.03 patch to it that you can download, so if an English version get released or if the Japanese one is made available make sure that it has all the fixes.

The bonus game, is set in the Edo period according to the extensive information describing it on the Japanese site.

The Actors portraits do resemble how some famous warlords have been depicted in other video games, but do note that this depiction of them in games is definitely not historically accurate, and those warlords have been depicted differently in other modern media  interpretations of them.

 

[d_a_renoir]

Okay, maybe I wasn't reading the description carefully. I just saw the trailer advertisement for the tiles, and they said it was Sengoku-themed, so I immediately assumed the demo game would be set in the same era. And plus, one of the game characters was the Dairokuten Maou, and considering WHO has that nickname, I assumed it was a fantasy version of the Sengoku times.

The Actors portraits do resemble how some famous warlords have been depicted in other video games, but do note that this depiction of them in games is definitely not historically accurate, and those warlords have been depicted differently in other modern media  interpretations of them.

Bwaahahahahahahahahahaaa    Don't be silly. I'm not that stupid. Don't tell me you MISSED the historically-accurate design elements that appeared in the characters in the samurai pack? Seriously, those other games had to get their designs from somewhere and quite a lot of those design elements actually did come from real history.

I didn't make those claims because they resemble so-and-so depictions from other games. I made those claims because of the accurate historical elements that did show up in the designs. Heck, I originally dismissed those battlers and portraits as being nothing but knockoffs of already-existing characters until I read about the warlords of the Sengoku Period.

The battler I call Ieyasu Tokugawa wears the Tokugawa crest on his armour. It's dead-obvious on his chest. The wreath is also one of Tokugawa's symbols. That spiked helmet was a real design of Hideyoshi Toyotomi's armour. Nobunaga is tricky, but If you squint on the demon's portrait, you will see the Oda crest. It's very small, but it's there. Not-Ralph's battler wears the Sanada crest on his robes. Masamune Date's crescent helmet was historical. Yes, other people wear such a helmet too, but not many of them only has one eye. The hairy helmet was Shingen Takeda's iconic costume. It is not exclusively HIS, but he is most famous for wearing it.

I would post pictures, but that's kind of off-topic and irrelevant.  While those battlers may not be actually THOSE warlords per se, but they're definitely "knockoffs" of those warlords. Heavily inspired by them. Seriously, didn't you know all that? Since you were able to tell me "those other games" are inaccurate and all.

And really, there's nothing wrong with that. I actually loved the set even more because of it. It makes it all the more funny, IMO

 

[Jay_NOLA]

My post wasn't meant to say your claims were nonsense, nor to say you made you claims based on popular tropes, or offend or insinuate anything.

It was intended to give some additional information for anyone reading the thread who went and did a quick search and just saw the popular modern video game depictions after reading your post and who was wondered on the degree of historical accuracy of how the depictions are int he Samurai VX Materials.  (The modern depictions of those figures I noticed will show up first and dominate many of the image searches for them.)

And, yes I am aware that the modern games did draw design elements from historical figures.

face_15 as you pointed out is definitely Takeda Shingen.  His kabuto also has his mon on it.  The depiction drew more heavily from Utagawa Kuniyoshi famous depiction of him instead of a modern one.

Hideyoshi Toyotomi, J_Actor4,  kabuto does resemble his historical one, but the rest of the armor and look are inspired more from modern video games he shows up in than historical depictions I've seen of him.  (I want to go reread Taiko now. after typing this.)

A few are not Sengoku and put in things to make them have a sort of cool modern interpretation while giving clues to the source of inspiration.  (This is just put this and the rest  in anyone else reading that may be interested in this stuff.)

For example, face_39 is most likely based on Abe no Seimei.  The pentagram, yin-yang symbols, and fox like look on his face all point Seimei being the inspiration for the image.  (Well the facial expression reminds me of a fox like person.)

Some I found are a bit hard to figure out I've noticed.

For example, face_14 I'm not sure if it is supposed to be Yae or a female interpretation of Takeda Shingen.  It could even be a male character too.

Quick comment on the significance of the crescent kabuto for those wondering why they were commonly worn and what the crescent signified..  The crescent was to represent  Bishamonten.  This came up a few years ago on a mailing list a used to belong to.

The female version of Date Masamune from with orange hair.  The pictures of face_06 & face_014 are definitional inspired heavily from a source I can't recall.  (I do remember seeing a female depiction with orange hair that looked very similar somewhere a few years ago.)

Anyway, like I said my point for posting all this info in this post and in my last post was mostly to put out information for those that might be interested in it.  It wasn't meant to insult or offend.

I better get this posted I started typing all this last night and had to go away from the computer for a few hours and noticed I forgot to post the reply.

 

[d_a_renoir]

Well, okay, that's cool and all. I was a bit upset because that comment sounded like it was directed at me.

But if you're just giving out extra info, that's wonderful! It's always good to share knowledge

 

[Jay_NOLA]

Forgot to mention who Yae was in case anyone is having trouble finding out who she was.

Yae was a mistress of Takeda Shingen who commanded an army of cavalry and fought in battle alongside Takeda Shingen. She was regarded as a very fierce and highly capable warrior.

She is depicted in the film Heaven and Earth. (I used to have a copy of this, but it got destroyed a few years do due to Katrina. Do note that the run time is different depending on what release of the film you have. Mine was the U.S. VHS subtitled tape that was musing some footage.)

You Tube clip of her from Heave and Earth. Her depiction in the movie looks different than the Samurai image that could be a depiction of her.

 

[d_a_renoir]

That's why I'm saying that the women were just female versions of the warlords.

Well, it IS arguable that the demonic lady is Nouhime and the red-haired lady with the eyepatch is Neko Gozen. I heard she's supposedly Masamune Date's body double. I'm a little curious why would he choose a woman to be his body double. Does Date perhaps resemble a woman?

 

[Diego2112]

That's why I'm saying that the women were just female versions of the warlords.

Well, it IS arguable that the demonic lady is Nouhime and the red-haired lady with the eyepatch is Neko Gozen. I heard she's supposedly Masamune Date's body double. I'm a little curious why would he choose a woman to be his body double. Does Date perhaps resemble a woman?

Which Date would that be? I had always thought that Date was similar to the American Surname.  And from the statues and historical portraits, Masamune was not even CLOSE to being effeminate.

He's also got a rockin' 'Stache.

EDIT:  On that note, this will be the first resource pack I buy-my wife has an EXTREME love of Japan, Japanese History (any and all knowledge I have of the culture comes from her), and really, anything to do with them.  

I'd like to get it to make a short romance game for her, our anniversary is coming up soon.

Oh, it'll in NO WAY be done in time for that-but the thought is what counts, I think.

 

[d_a_renoir]

I'm sure Masamune Date isn't effeminate, but since I did read some mentions that his body double was a woman... I do have to wonder why.

A romance game with the Samurai pack? SWEETNESS. Will you put it up here when you're done? Because I would love to play it

 

[Diego2112]

I'm sure Masamune Date isn't effeminate, but since I did read some mentions that his body double was a woman... I do have to wonder why.

A romance game with the Samurai pack? SWEETNESS. Will you put it up here when you're done? Because I would love to play it

It's going to be a while in the coming-I won't even have the pack until Wednesday, and then the actual plot and mapping and all of that, I've got to work out.  The plot I've started on, but as I don't even have the SLIGHTEST idea what kind of tiles I'll be working with (the sample pictures are tiny), I'm not exactly sure what kind of maps I'll be doing.

And I'm still working on if there's going to be fighting, or if it's going to be more of an adventure/exploration game.

As far as my Favorite Shogun's (dude was MADE of awesome, I swear it) double being a woman, ever think she was just really masculine?

 

[d_a_renoir]

It's going to be a while in the coming-I won't even have the pack until Wednesday, and then the actual plot and mapping and all of that, I've got to work out.  The plot I've started on, but as I don't even have the SLIGHTEST idea what kind of tiles I'll be working with (the sample pictures are tiny), I'm not exactly sure what kind of maps I'll be doing.

And I'm still working on if there's going to be fighting, or if it's going to be more of an adventure/exploration game.

No rush, man. I'm just hoping you do release it whenever you get it done.

As far as my Favorite Shogun's (dude was MADE of awesome, I swear it) double being a woman, ever think she was just really masculine?

Maybe. Or maybe the information I read was false

Awesome, eh? What level of awesome are we talking about again? One of the reasons why I was very reluctant to read up about Date is because he's so overrated that I've been made ill by all the attention he's getting (Sengoku Basara's fault, I'm sure). I mean, I haven't gotten in-depth, but what little I see of him is not that impressive. Nothing that other warlords like Oda and Takeda didn't also do, so... did I miss something?

By the by, dude's not a shogun. He later became a daimyo, but definitely not a shogun. Ieyasu Tokugawa is the shogun during Date's lifetime (and then Tokugawa's son). Before Tokugawa it was the Ashikaga family who were shoguns.

 

[Jay_NOLA]

Just some quick additional info notes after looking at the recent posts, looking at the faces and battlers, and doing some additional quick research yesterday

The Battler of the the red haired lady with the eye patch has he ridding on a tiger, which could be an indication of her being Neko Gozen.  Neko also means cat in Japanese.    Plus she is seen ridding  a bear I understand in a video game that has her.  The differences in the eye patch design may be another indicator too.  I've seen Date's patch have some design work on it in some modern depictions while her's doesn't have the design work done by the same artist.  The hair style face_06 also fits with some depictions I've seen of her too.

One friend I asked about it said also that in a Japaenese video game has Date Masamune and other male warlords depicted as females in it and she looks just like the female version of Date Masamune in it.  Hair color, hair style, etc. are the same.

mos2 & face_10 is Nouhime I'm strongly suspecting.  If you do a Google image search of her you'll see some modern depictions that resemble the demonic woman in the picture.

Her modernized depiction in  various video games is not accurate at all compared to her in history.  She is a usually  sadistic femme fatale in most modern inaccurate depictions I found of her.

Tokugawa Ieyasu was mentioned as being mos15.  This is dead on correct.  The exact look of the battler is heavily inspired from how he appears in a modern video game.  See the pic at the link I've given.

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/orochi2/dlc/images/cos/sp-sg01etc/06_750-M19_ieyasu.jpg

face_23 is him too, but he isn't in armor like in mos15.  He does have the same mon and if you look carefully at the faces pf the two images you can easily tell they are the same person just in different dress.

The female version mos16 & face_24 of Tokugawa Ieyasu has  three hollyhock leaves mon and several similarities to the male version.  I could find nothing similar to design in any female character in any modern video game and female versions others have of Tokugawa Ieyasu.

If one really wanted to say it wasn't a female Tokugawa Ieyasu it could be one of his wives or consorts such as Saigō or Tsukiyama.

Female versions of the male historical figures are very popular and do show up in several Japanese games and animated series.

I'll better wrap this up for now as my brain is mush.

One final comment one of the few English sources that contains information on the women is the translation Yoshikawa's Novel Taiko ki  (English translation title : Taiko: An Epic Novel of War and Glory in Feudal Japan.)

It is a good read but not as good as Musashi.  (Would love for Yoshikawa's first famous work Naruto Hitcho ( Secret Record of Naruto) to get an English translation as that was the work that intially made him famous in Japan.)

 

 

[Diego2112]

One of the things about Date Masamune was A) He helped in the unification of Japan, 2) He was EXTREMELY friendly towards Christian Missionaries (so much so that it's speculated his daughter, and possibly himself were Christians), and C) that rockin' eye-patch, which no one can quite agree on how how he lost the actual ORGAN (smallpox took the vision when he was a kid).  POPULAR legend holds that when one of the generals suggested that an enemy combatant could grab hold of it in a fight, Masamune ripped it out right then and there.

Dude was a master of tactics, an incredible leader, and the odd bit is, supposedly because of his missing eye, his mum wouldn't allow him to take over leading the clan.

He had an awesome crescent helmet.

I mean, the list goes on and on, but fact is, dude was AWESOME.

 

[Jay_NOLA]

Some more info Date Masamune given the recent posts.

Historically no record exists of him wearing an eye patch and he all ways insisted that any depiction of him have him with two eyes.

The body was considered a gift from the parents, and alienating any part of it, even due to reasons beyond one's control, is considered disrespectful so it is highly unlikely that he did pluck his eye.  No historical record exist that indicates he ever wore one.  Also, in 1974 a research team managed to recover his body from his grave and found that his right eye still had several parts of it that hadn't decomposed.  The eye patch comes from fictional depictions of him.

Some unusual quirks about him were:

1.) He couldn't hold his alcohol.  (He also made bad decisions while being drunk and his low tolerance didn't cause him now to drink.)

2.) One of his major hobbies was cooking which was not a skill that men learn.  (He liked to cook elaborate meals for his guests.)

3.) He also had another odd hobby which was taiko drumming.

I've been unable to find anything about the female body double except on same modern video game pages and video game forums about him.