Selling out your own kind

[Bloodmorphed]

I have very little issues with steam, the only problem I have is it goes out of sync like ones every two months. Also, I actually LOOK up games before I buy them, to see if they work, so again, no problems there?

I do have to agree on the same day DLC stuff, that stuff is bull crap. But most people do it for free, if not a patch rather then a DLC.

I think the DLC system is evil to begin with for games. Stuff like game makers it's okay because, well... giving out thousands of resources isn't ideal. However, more times then not, the DLC for games have been planned... sooooo why not in the original game? Right, to milk money. Sadly, I still buy DLC

But... a Indie developer going higher? You are pissed about that? Why? All I wish is for success for everyone on these forums. I too, someday wish to make a career out of this, it doesn't make me a sell out if I do.

 

[Nathanial]

 However, more times then not, the DLC for games have been planned... sooooo why not in the original game? 

Budgets. I have loads of ideas for my two titles. Doesn't mean I can afford to do them until after the market has deemed it financially viable with my title. More risky ideas that would increase development time and drain even more money.

 

[Tai_MT]

Because clearly with all the new content released on Steam absolutely every single day...  They've got a team of thousands to test all the games in all the situations to make sure they're working.  Yeah, sounds like that's how it works.  'Cause... you know... they got the money for something like that.

You know what you can do?  Talk to them about it and see if they can get it fixed.

Why is that so freakin' hard?  "Wah wah wah, it's easier to whine on forums than it is to do some actual work to get something working!  I shouldn't have to contact technical support 'cause that's too much work for me!"

 

[Diretooth]

Day One DLC isn't evil. It's DLC that's on the disc. Dragon Age: Origins is an example of such. You talk with a character, who lays a potential quest for you to do, but when you get to the end of the dialogue, you're prompted to pay for it. They purposefully coded that entire thing in, for whatever reason, and that really angers me.

 

[Euphoria]

I also got a similar impression from the first post.

Agreed also.

And I like steam, yeah I said it! They have great deals and everything works PERFECTLY for me, offline or on.

Also calling someone scummy over and over again just gives me the impression that you aren't a great person yourself. Slander is scummy, and to some degree that's what you're doing. I think I will avoid your posts in the future.

Edit: Also, easy way to avoid broken games:

Wait about 3 days after it's released, via steam or not, and read reviews? Easy.

 

[Bloodmorphed]

Budgets. I have loads of ideas for my two titles. Doesn't mean I can afford to do them until after the market has deemed it financially viable.

Okay, then release the new content for free, you now have released the game, making money. No need to milk every cent you can get from your customers. It's insane.

 

[??????]

The world of big game companies and their lackeys...yep angry at them. And not only do I have my opinion they are backed up, go take a look at the ROME 2 forums and listen to those snakes try and explain away their mistakes.

I understand your frustration with the big game companies using all possible avenues in order to maximize profits. But at the end of the day, that is what they are there for. There is no point in crying over spilled milk as it where...

I mean, the defnition of an indie developer is "Independent video game development is the process of creating video games without the financial support of a video game publisher. ..." (Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game). So they dont really fall under that category of 'money hungry huge corporation' do they...

Indie devs should offer pre-orders etc, but only when it will actually be beneficial towards the progression of their game. Otherwise, yes, its a greedy thing to do.

Just think a little crappy that you are tarnishing all indie devs rather than actually treating the root cause of your frustration.

 

[Shelby]

I thought you were talking about shipping pre-ordered games that are broken, not critiquing Valve for not having a Department of Beta Testing All Products Before Releasing Them on Steam.

That concept itself is almost as asinine as labeling all pre-order developers as scum. Steam/Valve is a distribution channel, not an outsourced QA company.

That's why I had multiple # points. I did that just for YOU Nathanial so you could read it better. So yes Companies do ship broken pre orders so yea thats bad, even one is one too many. And when I see some hipster following in their path yep that's bad to.

And Steam sucks for different reasons

 

[Nathanial]

Okay, then release the new content for free, you now have released the game, making money. No need to milk every cent you can get from your customers. It's insane.

 
So if I turn around and reinvest $6,000 into my title and spend 4 more months of work on it, I shouldn't see anything else for it? Because people already paid for my base game, a separate product?


I'm all for free DLC for the smaller things where it wasn't so much a financial drain, as it was just a matter of "I needed to get the game out and didn't have the time to do this, so here you go guys!" 


But if it's a matter of risk (due to time AND money) then yeah.. I see it as a separate product, I took the risks and quarter of the year to do it...  and I should be compensated for it.

That's why I had multiple # points. I did that just for YOU Nathanial so you could read it better. So yes Companies do ship broken pre orders so yea thats bad, even one is one too many. And when I see some hipster following in their path yep that's bad to.


And Steam sucks for different reasons

Are you resorting to calling me a hipster because I have more business sense in this industry than you, some ideologist gamer?


Yeah broken games suck. Avoid those companies. They're a plague. But not all of them are scummy. And Valve shouldn't have to baby each company releasing a title.

 

[??????]

rogl, this thread seems destined to be closed

 

[Kes]

Just to point out the obvious - it was possible to pre-order Ace.  Was that a scam?

 

[Shelby]

I understand your frustration with the big game companies using all possible avenues in order to maximize profits. But at the end of the day, that is what they are there for. There is no point in crying over spilled milk as it where...

I mean, the defnition of an indie developer is "Independent video game development is the process of creating video games without the financial support of a video game publisher. ..." (Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_game). So they dont really fall under that category of 'money hungry huge corporation' do they...

Indie devs should offer pre-orders etc, but only when it will actually be beneficial towards the progression of their game. Otherwise, yes, its a greedy thing to do.

Just think a little crappy that you are tarnishing all indie devs rather than actually treating the root cause of your frustration.

I am fine with them making lots of money, they can make ALL the money actually, as long as they make a game that WORKS! And don't hide content from me when I buy the full game. And my topic is pointed at ONE indie developer that is scum. If I was talking about all of them I would of course say YOU ARE ALL SCUM. And when that indie dev starts doing the scum moves that big game companies have been doing for years, yeah he is no longer indie.

Oh and i'm so happy we have so many views! AHAHAHAHA a good conversation this is!

 

[Solo]

Are you resorting to calling me a hipster because I have more business sense in this industry than you, some ideologist gamer?

Things just got scary.

 

[Euphoria]

I am fine with them making lots of money, they can make ALL the money actually, as long as they make a game that WORKS! And don't hide content from me when I buy the full game. And my topic is pointed at ONE indie developer that is scum. If I was talking about all of them I would of course say YOU ARE ALL SCUM. And when that indie dev starts doing the scum moves that big game companies have been doing for years, yeah he is no longer indie.

Oh and i'm so happy we have so many views! AHAHAHAHA a good conversation this is!

Pretty sure you're still confused on what an indie game developer is...

And let's just get to the point, you're probably a bored angry girl with nothing else to do so you started a topic to insult a certain someone by calling them scum.

Pathetic. This should be locked.

 

[??????]

And my topic is pointed at ONE indie developer that is scum.

Pretty sure its against forum rules to flame specific individuals in your posts.

Why not take up your grivance with them in private instead of bad mouthing them online?

That approach might be somewhat more practical !

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[Solo]

Just curious, who is this "one indie developer"?

Come on, let's pull out all the stops.

 

[??????]

Yea, i mean, if your going through so much trouble. may as well

 

[Euphoria]

Pretty sure its against forum rules to flame specific individuals in your posts.

Why not take up your grivance with them in private instead of bad mouthing them online?

That approach might be somewhat more practical !

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Come on Dekita... We obviously aren't after the practical approach here.

 

[Shelby]

So if I turn around and reinvest $6,000 into my title and spend 4 more months of work on it, I shouldn't see anything else for it? Because people already paid for my base game, a separate product?

I'm all for free DLC for the smaller things where it wasn't so much a financial drain, as it was just a matter of "I needed to get the game out and didn't have the time to do this, so here you go guys!" 

But if it's a matter of risk (due to time AND money) then yeah.. I see it as a separate product, I took the risks and quarter of the year to do it...  and I should be compensated for it.

Are you resorting to calling me a hipster because I have more business sense in this industry than you, some ideologist gamer?

Yeah broken games suck. Avoid those companies. They're a plague. But not all of them are scummy. And Valve shouldn't have to baby each company releasing a title.

I will of course try and respond to all of you but first this guy.

You didn't read my point on this it seems. I said day 1 DLC! Or on disc DLC, you can go back and read it, it's there trust me And if you spend 4 months on it well you just proved my point cause its not what I am talking about at all, I would actually say that was more of a expansion? But after 4 moths I don't care as long as the core game worked.

 

[Nathanial]

Just curious, who is this "one indie developer"?


Come on, let's pull out all the stops.

Actually, let's not. It's worse enough she admitted this topic was made in reference to one specific developer. Let's not specifically single them out.

I will of course try and respond to all of you but first this guy.


You didn't read my point on this it seems. I said day 1 DLC! Or on disc DLC, you can go back and read it, it's there trust me And if you spend 4 months on it well you just proved my point cause its not what I am talking about at all, I would actually say that was more of a expansion? But after 4 moths I don't care as long as the core game worked.

 
No, I read your posts but you brought up a load of other crap I was addressing. Yeah, I can see your gripes with Day 1 DLC as well, but I also understand the business logistics behind it for the developers. It's the PUBLISHERS that are the problem. 


Personally my bigger gripe is with ON DISC DLC.. not so much day 1 (although I understand peoples gripes)