Skill tab lacking options. (Shouldn't have to be plugin dependant)

[Skurge]

Hi guys, I'm feeling pretty disappointed with the MV's skill tab.
I want to make a bunch of skills to make combat more interesting such as adding buffs like increased hit chance, weakness to element types. Crit chance etc.

But there is virtually NONE of that in the program.
You are restricted to only altering stats and states. The special effect only has the escape option and the formula does not give you definitions for other types besides stats.
I remember previous rpg maker programs had a larger variety of skill options but this is just insulting. A typical RPG has more variety than this.

Is there something I am missing? Because I'm not even asking for complicated skill types and it just seems a bit odd that I'm essentially relying on plugins for this kind of thing.
If that's the case then what plugin out there is for this?

 

[Beregon]

Hi guys, I'm feeling pretty disappointed with the MV's skill tab.
I want to make a bunch of skills to make combat more interesting such as adding buffs like increased hit chance, weakness to element types. Crit chance etc.

But there is virtually NONE of that in the program.
You are restricted to only altering stats and states. The special effect only has the escape option and the formula does not give you definitions for other types besides stats.
I remember previous rpg maker programs had a larger variety of skill options but this is just insulting. A typical RPG has more variety than this.

Is there something I am missing? Because I'm not even asking for complicated skill types and it just seems a bit odd that I'm essentially relying on plugins for this kind of thing.
If that's the case then what plugin out there is for this?

1) Create a state that increases hit rate/crit/whatever else you want, then have the skill apply that state.

2) The damage formula is actually super versatile, you can do great things with it. Especially if you know javascript, since you can use code in it, like script calls. For example:

if(a.atk>b.def) { 5*a.atk } else { 5*a.atk-3*b.def }

This would make the skill compare the Attack of the attacker with Defense of the defender. If it's higher, the skill ignores the defender's Defense value.

There's a lot more examples elsewhere, you just need to look.

3) You can also have the skill run a Common Event when used, which adds more options.

 

[TheoAllen]

such as adding buffs like increased hit chance

Play with states trait

weakness to element types

Play with states trait

Crit chance

Play with states trait

etc

Play with states trait

But there is virtually NONE of that in the program.

Have you looked at the state's traits?

You are restricted to only altering stats and states.

Have you looked at the state's traits?

I remember previous rpg maker programs had a larger variety of skill options but this is just insulting.

Which RPG Maker? and such as?

A typical RPG has more variety than this.

I agree.

Is there something I am missing?

Have you looked at the state's traits?

Because I'm not even asking for complicated skill types and it just seems a bit odd that I'm essentially relying on plugins for this kind of thing.

You probably don't.

If that's the case then what plugin out there is for this?

It is probably not the case.

 

[Tiamat-86]

using a skill is the action while damage and states are the effect of the action.
how is the skill supposed to know how long a hit rate buff will last for? the state's duration thats how.

damage formula in MV can actually do alot since MV formulas have no size limit.

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to do something like skill targets enemy but adds state to the user,
the database doesnt have that option but the damage formula does.

as for the default engines "Buff" system, nobody really uses that, we just make states with the same effect and use the states. much easyer to manage and control the actual amount it gets buffed.
(the default buff system is a 25% buff but what if wanted the protect spell to double def stat instead?
wouldnt use the buff system would just be a state with def*200%)