Square Enix too cheap to make games Kickstarter!

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"That's like saying rich people shouldn't be allowed to ask for money. Why?" The should not be allowed to ask for anything...ever. Or just do what Canada does and tax the $%^& out of everyone, that would be nice to :guffaw:
 

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Oh wow, just because they're rich they're should not be allowed to ask for anything? What kind of idea is that? 0.0
 
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You'd be about the only one ;) I'd wonder if you'd say the same thing if you were rich.


If this is going to go along those lines, it's clear that the whole thing is just a biased rant and not a debate/discussion based on logic or reason. If your mind is made up and nothing anybody can say will make you even consider otherwise, there's really not much point allowing this to go on, as it's just going to degenerate into a "you're wrong, I'm right" argument.
 

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You'd be about the only one ;) I'd wonder if you'd say the same thing if you were rich.

If this is going to go along those lines, it's clear that the whole thing is just a biased rant and not a debate/discussion based on logic or reason. If your mind is made up and nothing anybody can say will make you even consider otherwise, there's really not much point allowing this to go on, as it's just going to degenerate into a "you're wrong, I'm right" argument.
Yeah true, if you have everything why ask for something? Hard to understand I know. Is there not enough greed in the world? I have seen more then enough greed so I have no cares about the rich. The poor suffer and the rich get tax breaks, not true? So no I do not want to talk about this I was just answering a question because that is the polite thing to do. And I don't like the assumption about me, I would not call it a biased, I would call it experience, bringing up a kid in Americas horrible social care system is  hard enough without hearing about all the corruption of the rich here. Even the french treat their people better and germans treat their people a LOT better.
 

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Being rich doesn't equate to having everything...


and as much as I would like everyone to be treated fair and equal, equality will bring about the fall of society, and maybe even humanity. That's the sad truth of our current world that a lot of people fail to see.


and yeah, I don't see this thread getting somewhere in the right direction if it continues this way.


I think it's clear that most of us here thinks that there's nothing wrong with what Square is doing anyway.
 
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Being rich doesn't equate to having everything...

and as much as I would like everyone to be treated fair and equal, equality will bring about the fall of society, and maybe even humanity. that's the sad truth of our current world.

and yeah, I don't see this thread getting somewhere in the right direction if it continues this way.
fall of society? Maybe, I would think of it more as a change by force but still change. When the rich are forced to leave france and sell their homes it gives me hope for the world. When I am in germany I know I will never be thrown out on the streets because the government will put me in a apartment and keep us fed. So when America gets with the program I will be happy :)
 

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So if your incredibly negative and definite viewpoint is based on experience, you must be saying that not one other person here has experience? Because nobody agrees with you.


Rich people have needs just like everyone else, and not all needs can be met with money. Yes, they do get some breaks that others don't because they're not rich. But that doesn't mean they should suffer in silence. You seem to think that rich people are greedy and poor people are not. That is not true. Wealth != greed. Poor people can be incredibly greedy and selfish, and rich people can be incredibly generous. But they are not stupid - they protect their wealth, and a poor person who manages to accumulate a bit of money would do the same if they knew how.


What SE are offering is absolutely NO different to any other publisher offering to market indie games for a share of the profits. And their share is substantially smaller than most would request. To me, it seems quite generous of them. And yes, I do have some experience in this area.
 

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I'm talking about MY experience, others have there own. And I do not trust big game companies or the rich to take care of me or do anything good for me because they haven't yet. And yes I agree with you Shaz...they are good at protecting their money...
 

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I would try and be too, if I had any of it :)
 

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Shelby, your arguments regarding rich people are founded in fantasy and would never work in the real world.

Your experience is extremely subjective and limited only by what you limit it to. That could mean you're either very narrow-minded, deluded to a point, or insightful in certain ways, but not in all ways.

This entire topic began by you blatantly stating that Square-Enix is too cheap to make a game, and thus use kickstarter to make a game. Many people on this forum disproved that by reading the page, you even got mail from someone in regards to your thought and was summarily disproven by that letter. Hell, your recent comments show you simply don't care about anyone else's thoughts, you're just grasping for support in your claims, sensationalizing this entire thing to garner support in Squeenix hate.

I'd also like to point out something you stated recently. 'And I do not trust big game companies or the rich to take care of me or do anything good for me because they haven't yet.'

because they haven't yet.

Of course they haven't. Chances are, you've never talked with a rich person or some representative with a BGC aside from complaining about a kickstarter which they didn't even start. In my experience, talking with people in real life and on the internet, (which is subjective because my perspectives, while I try to see everything through everyone's eyes, is still limited,) has brought to me the conclusion that a person, who blindly accuses and doesn't take the time to research that they're talking about tend to be nothing but someone who must always be right. (And in my experience with my own arrogance, which I freely admit I can be rather arrogant, I know that people who must always be right cannot be right if they do not do the freaking research and reading necessary to be right. Redundant, I know.)

In regard to your 'rich' thing. If there were no rich people, there'd be no point in really doing anything, because there'd be no reward for hard work. I should know, I plan on becoming rich enough to eat expensive foods but spend my money to make money so that humanity can progress, rather than stagnate. (Id est, donate money to charity while making money to donate to charity. and stuff like that.)

But, yeah. Expand your horizons, talk to people, don't be blinded by ignorant rage. The world ends with you, as stated by a character in a game with the same title, said game being made by Squeenix. (That quote, by the way, means that if you do not reach out beyond yourself and try to know the world through others, as well as yourself, your world, as you see it, will be small indeed.)

Anyway, enough pseudo-ranting.
 

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I would try and be too, if I had any of it :)
Some of it yes, but I can't help but think of Ebeneser scrooge from a Christmas Carol when I read that. Yep he had all this money because he was rich, and protected it well. Wouldn't do anything helpful/constructive with the money or help the poor.

It took a bunch of GHOSTS to make him a good human being lol
 

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You can't compare all rich people to Ebenezer Scrooge :)


Anyway, this is going nowhere. You have your opinion, to which you're entitled. It's up to you whether to allow that opinion to change based on the feedback you have been given - it appears you don't want to, which again is up to you. Others in the thread have changed their viewpoints after more information has come to light (information which you provided) Nobody is going to change anyone else's mind if that person isn't willing.


No point in going any further, I don't think.


Closing.
 
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