The Anti-Bully Movement.

[crimcrim]

bullying people is awful. so is being a complete whining ***** with no backbone.

if you get bullied suck it up. you arent special, it happens to literally everyone.

Christ, kids nowadays feel that they're entitled to everything. If you want to kill yourself because someone was mean to you online then do it. One less pussy to worry about.

If this comes off harsh then oops. I was bullied and I found that the "I don't give a ****" tactic works wonders.

 

[Ronove]

I found being nice to people stopped bullying later in high school. But then they suddenly realized if they were nice to me, I'd give them the answers to our homework and help them with papers. <.<

 

[Genii Benedict]

That last post was specifically directed towards the "start kicking kids and puppies" bit, and I feel that it was perfectly justified. I wasn't belittling Ronove, or the opinion, just the tactic.

Don't be like Cobra Commander.

Kicking puppies is wrong.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

@Ronove. No one said we should do nothing.

We said the current approach being taken does nothing.

Actually, in my opinion, there are some parts of the current antibullying campaign stuff that is MORE damaging than doing nothing. I know it sounds callous, but I think to a degree, the level of scrutinization going on where EVERYTHING is considered bullying is just creating a victim culture.

We are creating a generation of children who have no concept of fault, or how to handle anything without going to daddy/mommy/teacher. When I was a kid, you handled it. I was bullied in high school to a degree. I was small (4'11", less than 100 lbs my freshman year... yeah, I hit my growth spurt late), I was in all the fast track supersmart classes, I wore glasses, I was into tabletop roleplaying, video games, and was in chorus.

But I was taught self sufficiency. I used my wit, my intelligence, and the friendships I had developed to prevent most of the bullying of me. And I did the same for other people I saw bullied.

And because of being taught and learning how to do that, I think I've become a more capable person as an adult.

 

[Levi]

I agree with Touch.

1. Focus on "preparation" for bullying, whether it be preventative or simply enabling yourself to take it in stride.

and

2. Focus on "coping" and or dealing with it after the fact.

It's much more realistic... since many schools already have councillors and the like.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Christ, kids nowadays feel that they're entitled to everything. If you want to kill yourself because someone was mean to you online then do it. One less pussy to worry about.

While the core sentiment is understandable, please be a bit more sensitive to the issue.

 

[Genii Benedict]

While the core sentiment is understandable, please be a bit more sensitive to the issue.

I'm sorry, but... SERIOUSLY? This is your response to someone advocating suicide?

 

[Emmych]

@Levi: Mm, I wouldn't call the bible a manual on not hating -- there's a lot of hatred in there. It's more a collection of stories and morality tales a religion is based around.

Change happens very slowly, but if we work as a society to make treating other people like **** (not tolerating it when we see it, protecting those who can't stand up for themselves, encouraging people to be kind and accepting), it'll happen eventually! Bullies will be ostracized and cool folks will be seen as the cool folks they are.

bullying people is awful. so is being a complete whining ***** with no backbone.

if you get bullied suck it up. you arent special, it happens to literally everyone.

Christ, kids nowadays feel that they're entitled to everything. If you want to kill yourself because someone was mean to you online then do it. One less pussy to worry about.

If this comes off harsh then oops. I was bullied and I found that the "I don't give a ****" tactic works wonders.

you are actually a terrible person and I don't think I will ever not stare in shock and disgust at the bile that you spit up and call sentences

Why are you so bitter and vitriolic; seriously? What's your problem?

I'm sorry, but... SERIOUSLY? This is your response to someone advocating suicide?

This is his response to one of his IRC friends advocating suicide. Funnily enough, this is also one of the many reasons I don't frequent this site any more!

...goodness, did I get up on the wrong side of the bed today or what

 

[Volrath]

bullying people is awful.

Christ, kids nowadays feel that they're entitled to everything. If you want to kill yourself because someone was mean to you online then do it. One less pussy to worry about.

Epic cognitive dissonance. If they had an Academy Awards for hypocrisy, you sir, would be Meryl Streep.

Some of the new efforts against bullying can lead to troublesome bureaucracy...I'm a journalist, I've seen it cause some unintentional clerical problems in the town I cover. BUT I still maintain that the existence of the effort itself is very important...there will be time to finesse it over the years. What we had before (nothing) failed way too many kids. I mean jeez, If I'm paying taxes and relying on schools to watch my kid six hours a day, I really don't think it's unreasonable to at least try and have some protections in place so that their education isn't compromised by little sociopaths bothering them over stupid bull**** all the time.

 

[crimcrim]

you are actually a terrible person and I don't think I will ever not stare in shock and disgust at the bile that you spit up and call sentences

Why are you so bitter and vitriolic; seriously? What's your problem?

u seem a little upset :/

I was bullied a lot in elementary school and middle school. No one ever helped me and i got over it, in fact i used it to my advantage and became stronger through it. kids these days have no backbone at all and want everyone else to help them, when they should just help themselves. its more of a generational thing.

also not coinciding with your beliefs != being a bad person

Epic cognitive dissonance. If they had an Academy Awards for hypocrisy, you sir, would be Meryl Streep.

I fail to see your logic. period. bullying is awful. so is being a pansy.

This is his response to one of his IRC friends advocating suicide. Funnily enough, this is also one of the many reasons I don't frequent this site any more!

...goodness, did I get up on the wrong side of the bed today or what

okay

grow the Frick up. you consider yourself a friend of Touch but back stab when he says things you don't agree with? what is your problem. I wasnt ADVOCATING suicide. holy ****. grow up. no one wants you on this site anyway

 

[Touchfuzzy]

The truth of the matter is that I worded it that way because the sentiment IS understandable. Even if I don't really agree with it.

As someone who hit all the "nerd" qualities growing up, while being incredibly tiny, I KNOW what it is like to be bullied. I survived, I even thrived and was able to shut down most of the bullying that targeted me.

Because of this, yes, I can see why someone else who was also bullied and made it through might harbor some ill feelings towards what he sees as whining people who can't cut it. I don't agree. I think that in a lot of ways its not their fault because they were never TAUGHT to deal with it, never taught how to handle their problems. I think its on the people teaching them, not on them.

 

[Espon]

Anti-bully movements seem to do little at attacking the core problem, it's more of an attention grabber (particularly when you start involving famous people) and sometimes the last thing a victim wants is to bring more attention to themselves.

I was the victim all throughout school, at it felt that there was no "standing up for yourself" as it just giving them more fuel to throw onto the fire. Not everyone had friends they could rely on since victims are typically the shy kids or ones that stand out from others who have difficulty socializing.

The worst is the feeling that nobody really cares. Sure it's easy to say "I'll jump in if I see someone being bullied" but saying is easier than doing and often times people would rather watch so that they don't become the next target. Teachers or adults often did little to intervene in the matters.

The nice thing about graduating from high school was that I could leave all these people behind, but unfortunately the emotional and physical damage tends to leave its scars.

bullying people is awful. so is being a complete whining ***** with no backbone.

if you get bullied suck it up. you arent special, it happens to literally everyone.

Christ, kids nowadays feel that they're entitled to everything. If you want to kill yourself because someone was mean to you online then do it. One less pussy to worry about.

If this comes off harsh then oops. I was bullied and I found that the "I don't give a ****" tactic works wonders.

Excuse me? It's easy to act like an rear end in a top hat online (as you so easily demonstrated), but we're talking about the real world.

 

[RyanA]

[edited at OP's request.]

 

[Touchfuzzy]

This is his response to one of his IRC friends advocating suicide. Funnily enough, this is also one of the many reasons I don't frequent this site any more!

...goodness, did I get up on the wrong side of the bed today or what

You want to actually talk reasonably with me or throw around bull****. I responded to why I worded it that way. This is a sensitive subject and there will be a lot of thoughts on it. I didn't even mention Ronove strawmanning the hell out of Levi and completely misrepresenting what he was saying either. And I found that pretty crap too.

 

[Genii Benedict]

The truth of the matter is that I worded it that way because the sentiment IS understandable. Even if I don't really agree with it.

I have created, adminned and supported more than my fair share of forums in my time, and have never, ever, under any circumstances supported - even in part - a comment so disgusting in my life, as to say that someone should commit suicide for any reason, whatsoever. I don't care if that comment would have come from my own family - it would have been removed, and the person mentioning it would get more than a damn slap on the wrist for saying it.

As the "Lead Admin" of this site, you have a greater responsibility to those who employ you, and to the visitors of the site itself, to provide a safe environment. Reading such comments disgusts me, and believe me, it takes A LOT.

GB

 

[Volrath]

I fail to see your logic. period. bullying is awful. so is being a pansy.

I think failing to see any logic at all is pretty consistent with you in general. I'll try to break this down into a series to easy to follow points.

1. You say bullying is awful.

2. You say someone depressed to the point of suicidial thoughts by bullying should just go ahead and kill themselves. (calling them "pussies" for good measure)

3. You fail to realize that Part 2 is a textbook example of bullying and we honestly couldn't produce a better example in this thread if we tried.

4. You lack any humility and will probably continue to inflame and insult people with your future posts, since that's all you seem to do around here.

The worst is the feeling that nobody really cares. Sure it's easy to say "I'll jump in if I see someone being bullied" but saying is easier than doing and often times people would rather watch so that they don't become the next target. Teachers or adults often did little to intervene in the matters.

YES. This is what I was trying to get at before. That's why I think the existence of the movement, however clunky it may be, is important. It sends the message that these behaviors are not endorsed by society at large.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Keep in mind I argued against what he said. I warned him against straying that way, and explained WHY I disagree with it.

If you want to shut down that thought, state the reasons why it is wrong. Erasing it from existence won't change people thinking it. Arguing against it will.

 

[Lunarea]

This is getting out of line. We all need to take a step back and breathe.

Closed.

I may re-open this in 24 hours.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

I'm just going to state something because I think it needs to be said:

I do not censor what people say. I might warn them against being inflammatory, I might even warn or suspend them, possibly even BAN them, but in general I DO NOT REMOVE POSTS. I don't believe in removing posts.

If you disagree with a post, argue against it. The best way to change the minds of people thinking what someone wrote is to ARGUE AGAINST IT, not pretend it doesn't exist. Because if one person wrote it, others are thinking it and not saying it.

And if someone has a problem with me, they can take it to PM. My box is always open.

 

[BigEd781]

All right. I'll give up being nice and start kicking kids and puppies in my street because for THOUSANDS of years we've taught hate as a good thing. Thanks for your insight.

Yes, because the only alternative is to beat children. That makes a ton of sense. Silly comments like that are a complete waste of time and are intellectually lazy and/or ignorant.

Of course you and everyone else should attempt to live their lives in as positive a way as possible. However, to believe that any amount of advertising will change the minds of people who are already complete and utter A-holes is just naive.

EDIT: Damn it, this thread got out of hand before I could respond...