Thanks again, I think I understand what you were saying a lot better now. It should come as no surprise I misplace something (at least if you knew me), I have problems with everything art-related, I'm just too stubborn to give it up. I used to have a deviantart account and got comments like "do you even understand the human body?" Anyway, I'm gonna keep working at it and won't clog the thread anymore, at least for awhile. It's a shame it's only a bust, though my respect for Bukaret has gone up a lot.