The Role of Art in Modern Society

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Recently I've seen some people on the Internet claim to not see the purposes of art at all in modern society, and then quickly proceed to calling it "useless". As someone who loves and does art, I couldn't help but feel somewhat offended . But then after pondering about it for a while, I think I can now sort of understand where they're coming from, although that doesn't mean I agree with them. Art has existed through centuries since the beginning of time, and so we've been living in this sort of "art sphere" since forever. And that might just be the reason why we (or at least some us) now are starting to, you know, take art for granted perhaps?

So maybe we all need to stop for a moment and reformulate a reminder on the role and impact of art in our society, and basically why it should exist. I have my own reasons to love and keep doing art, and I'm sure you do too. I could've just googled this, but I personally would like to hear what you think.
 

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Well personally, I think if they think that, then a lot of things in this world is quite useless.


It might be a case of it being taken for granted, or maybe they just don't know the whole scope of the word "art"?


IMHO, art is a form of expression of oneself. There might be non-art forms of expression, but I do believe that art is the best way to express
 

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Well people who thinked art its useless don't realize without art we can't have the technologies because most of the technologies are created and still created by the art...

Because art don't have specific form like the mathematic and everything art touch each aspect of our life and the imagination is the pure form of the art and how did you think people create new technologies? with the art...so people who think art is useless don't know what they speak in my opinions
 

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Humans are...social creatures. Artists...geez. I have so much I can say about this topic...why art is needed. Why art is NEEDED in society. Ugghh...I don't even know where to start.

I'll make one point by saying that art stimulates the mind. All art, regardless of medium. And a stimulated mind is less likely to go to waste... (and it is my personal belief that few things in this world are more tragic than a wasted mind.).
 

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Like everyone said before me, art is important as a form of expression and something that stimulates us. All art, paintings, writings, music, sculpture, pixels, dancing, baking - It is important for the person creating it as a form of release. A way to get their emotions out. EVERYONE has a way to let out their emotions, whether it be painting a wall sized mural or writing bad poetry in the back of a notebook. To suggest it is useless undermines an active part of human society.


I do understand the idea that because art is all around us people take it for granted, but I do not think that means it isn't important. When someone experiences a piece of art, whether they realize it or not, they feel something. Even if it is just "wow that's one ugly statue"; they are being moved to think in some way by what they are seeing/hearing. People hang paintings up in their house because it gives them some sort of emotion that they enjoy feeling. "This reminds me of where I grew up." "Ah, I want to visit a place like this sometime." "This painting is so scary! I love how it creeps me out." I think it is easy to dismiss art because the experience you get from it is so automatic; you don't actually stop and think 'this piece of art is doing this to me.'


Not to mention, for someone like me, who is brought great pleasure just by knowing something I created with my own expression has moved someone else in some way, the world would be a very droll place without being able to create and enjoy art.


Of course, all of this hinges on a very broad definition of art. Art = 'any form of expression' to me. I know there are some people who define art as only the most polished and perfect creation possible. I find that very narrow minded, but the word art is so subjective that I can't really fault them for it. ((slightly off topic, this makes it hard for me to count something that has obviously been made with no love and no emotion and just for money as art D: but it can be considered art by another person's definition))
 

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Let's not focus on criticizing those who believe in the uselessness of art because ... that's not why I brought this topic up. Let's instead talk about art itself.

Personally I kinda believe that one of the most important things about art is that it is a very expressive, non-linear, and especially humanistic means of communication between people. I call it humanistic because, regardless of what a display of art contains and portrays, it helps invoke or simulate various emotions that we might not be able to experience in real life easily without different and complex circumstances. It doesn't matter if the message being communicated is positive or negative, it's all a part of some sort of grand scheme involving delivering an experience rarely gotten elsewhere. And so through experiencing art, people are able to sort of obtain something. A truth. A proof of what they believe in. And then they get to strengthen their moral values and belief, on what is right, and what is wrong.

Without art as an expressive means of communication, and a foundation to hinge on, I think just about any moral values will eventually falter and crumble. I do not believe we intelligent humans simply determine the rightfulness of something based only on what we know and what people tell us. We believe something is right or wrong because, in one way or another, we've had the consequential emotions simulated in us at some point, as we grew up.
 
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    I'd like to touch on the very last thing Makio-Kuta said, as I feel at least it has a lot to do with why people can in today's society feel that art in general is 'useless'. From the sound of it I think that my definition and her definition of art are very similar. I love art, from my children's refrigerator drawings the painted ceilings of the Sistine Chapel, from great writers such as Poe and Shakespeare down to random bloggers expressing themselves as a form of release to something near and dear to them. 

   I could go on but I consider so many things to be a valid artistic medium that it would take an essay to cover them all. That said, one thing I've recently struggled with even considering to be an artistic medium is a certain type of 'modern art'. I'm not talking about Picaso or similar artists that distort the norm in some way to great effect, I'm referring more towards people like Sam Francis and Tiger Woods. So called 'artists' who's medium is easily replicated by five year old's the world over, yet said children's works aren't considered on par because they weren't painted by 'an artist'. My rule of thumb is that if you have to know who the artist is before knowing whether to praise or debase a work of art then it probably isn't art. (I actually tested this once years ago, believe it or not with a friend of mine who was always big into modern art. I had my daughter(7) paint a splatter painting on a canvas and then framed it up like a work of art. He wouldn't comment on it one way or the other until I admitted that it was my daughter who painted it. To me that proves my point, if there was really some secret I'm missing to how this form of art expresses then he should have been able to instantly condemn it as the work of a child, he could not.)

   A more classical alliteration would be to look at the works of Lev Tolstoy, who's books are praised as masterpieces all over the world but I just fail to see them as such. (Note: unlike the splatter art, I'm not arguing that Tolstoy wasn't an artist or anything like that, but the example works towards my conclusion.) What I fail to understand about Tolstoy and probably never will is that it is so dry and plain that it fails to insight even the slightest emotion from me. His books are like a chore to read rather than a point of pleasure (coming from me this is a high condemnation. I never fail to read a book from cover to cover once I pick it up and I've read thousands of them, I'm always reading and Tolstoy is the only author outside of the writer of a school textbook that has been able to inspire this feeling of apathy in me while reading.), there's just no enjoyment to be had. In addition to this his books often force you to really think in order to understand what is going on (which is difficult when you aren't invested in the story to begin with). Whether in Anna Karenina where he reuses the names he uses as the main name for multiple characters (If I remember correctly there were two Alexis and at least 3 Alexanders in that book, along with several characters who had some variation of the name 'alex' in their name such as Alexandrova or some such. As much as I love that name being that I am called Alexander or Alex and my youngest daughter's name is Alexandria, this book made me really sick of the name. There's only so many different Alexs you can read about in one book without becoming hopelessly confused.) or the apparent objectiveness of "War and Peace" (Seriously, if you can find them, ask 5 people who have read this book what it's purpose is. I guarantee you that none of your opinions will be the same and that oftentimes they will not even be related themes.) These books greatly appeal to a person who wants to consider themselves 'more sophisticated' than the common man, but I've rarely met a 'common person' who has enjoyed Tolstoy's work.

    I write two paragraphs using examples of high art that I hate to say this; that type of art, that is so abstract and confusing that common peoples struggle to grasp or find common ground in. I believe that art is purposed for the wealthy, the socialites and those who consider themselves the top of culture and class. It appeals to a certain type of individual and allows them to feel superior with their apparent insight into the complex enigmas of these 'great minds' who have created something so great, so emotionally powerful that only the top of the top of artistic society can even begin to grasp the enormous power and presence of said work. The problem is people see these works and say to themselves "this is nothing to me. At best it's a dated concept and at worst it's clearly worthless because I don't feel anything from it" and I think that that is where the misconception about art in modern society comes from. It's a skewed view on art in general that says "anything that person A does is amazing art because he's from an academy that teaches from the style of the greats. While person B's works are horrible because she didn't study at said academy and therefor her work is worthless." Even if person A is splattering paint randomly upon a canvas and person B is someone as expressive and brilliant as, say Makio-Kuta. (Not saying that anyone argues you aren't an artist Makio-Kuta, but when I think of under-appreciated artistic media video game art is among the first to come to mind and yours is some of the most expressive (literally, by expressions) forms of said art I can think of...+ you were the last poster. Though I know nothing of your artistic background or identity, and don't assume to.) 

   I just feel that art, since it is a form of self-expression, should insight some sort of emotion and feeling from the general populous that views it. Failing that, I have a hard time calling it art. Even if I don't feel anything because it doesn't relate to me that's fine, but someone should be able to relate to it, and when the only people who can have to know who it was that painted it and what that persons credentials are before sharing...it's just lost on me but makes me able to easily understand how one can come to the conclusion that art is worthless, it's not that art is but it's that people have attempted for centuries now to narrow the definition of art with a standard of what it has to encompass, which kills artistic vision and thus produces "worthless art".
 

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As annoying as it is when someone says it, I believe that its a reaction to the opposite, when "artists" oversell the importance of their work over other pursuits.


I mean, we even have it in this thread, where someone claims that technological advancements are a result of ART rather than you know, science and engineering.


In fact, in society, we place WAY more importance on art than science/engineering. Give me a list of ten famous current actors. Now, turn around and give me a list of ten famous current scientists. Which one was harder?


We have such an overabundance in the western world of the things we actually NEED, such as food, shelter, health care (and yes, I know that some people don't have these things, but the percent truly starving in the first world is miniscule compared to the rest of the world), that we stopped putting importance on farmers, or the engineers who created these wonderful machines that free people up from farming to even do things like art.


And people talk about how hard it is to work in the field of art and make a living... well so what? Its hard for ANYONE to find a job doing something they love for a living. I want to be a game designer (ttrpgs and board games, not video games), do you see me making a living at that?


And don't get me wrong, Art is important. I enjoy art vastly. I just think its importance is highly oversold by artists. The only reason that art can be that important though is because our needs are for the most part met.
 
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Maybe it's simply a difference of what circles we frequent, but I've seen people claim way too often that they shouldn't have to pay artists to create things for them and I can't think o anytime someone said they shouldn't have to pay like a plumber or something. That's what I'm thinking of when I hear 'art being taken for granted.' The idea that to acquire a piece of art from an artist (of any sort) should be free. That the time artists put into their art is not worth any money. ((Which I find kind of silly that people would argue that it is okay to have to pay for something you NEED to survive, like food or water, but silly to have to pay for a luxury, but that is another whole can of worms.))


But then again, science and engineering can both easily fall under art by my silly definition of the word. Because even these things can be an expression of one's passions, thoughts, and emotions. I don't think an inventor any less an artist than a singer.


I'm certainly not going to argue that artists might think art is more important than it truly is, and I certainly won't judge whether or not I fit under that category - I likely do - but who DOESN'T place something they pour themselves into on some high pedestal?? I'm sure just as often as an artist thinks "what I am doing right now is important" an engineer or teacher or something will have the same thought. Especially if these fields are something precious to them. I don't think there's anything wrong with that sort of mentality; it's rather human and just another point to how important what someone does is to them.


As for art stimulating the evolution of technology, I think that goes both ways. Like anything, they, and bountiful other factors, stimulate each other and grow hand in hand. Technological and scientific advances can open up the doors to new forms of art, and there have been times when something dreamed up in the mind of an artist has led to breakthroughs in other fields. Both are important and I don't know, maybe I missed something here, but I don't recall anyone claiming one to be more important than the other.


Just that, one is important. Which it is.


Imagine if this world had no music, no writing, no song, no one experimenting with different kinds of food combinations, no one thinking abstractly about the way something works, no paintings, no one passing on knowledge to others - we'd have no access to our history, no myths, no stories to share. Imagine if people couldn't express themselves in any way. I don't know. I can't speak for everyone, but to me having an outlet for my feelings and stuff is just as important as having food. Maybe that's just something I feel though because I am one of those egotistic artists who flaunt the importance of art above everything else though heh ;)
 
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Maybe it's simply a difference of what circles we frequent, but I've seen people claim way too often that they shouldn't have to pay artists to create things for them and I can't think o anytime someone said they shouldn't have to pay like a plumber or something. That's what I'm thinking of when I hear 'art being taken for granted.' The idea that to acquire a piece of art from an artist (of any sort) should be free.
I'm all for artists getting paid for their work, but really this isn't confined to art.


I once had a client when I worked in construction tell me she wasn't going to pay for "2 days when you only worked 1 day" despite the fact that I had worked 16 hours straight to meet a deadline on when the project needed to be finished (they contacted me late, didn't really give me the time needed to do the job before they needed it done, and I agreed to just do it by the hour rather than as a job, as I was pretty sure that would help them out cost wise, and I gave an estimate of how much it would take, and I STILL came in under what I said to start). I eventually got the money I was supposed to, because I had a contract and I had made sure to word it correctly and they couldn't get out of it, but they never contacted me again, despite being happy with the work I did before I told them the final cost.


Its a problem that mostly comes from being an independent contractor rather than an issue with art itself. Being an independent contractor, tons of clients will try to undercut and underpay you.


The fact is a lot of artists work as independent contractors, so they see this behavior a LOT.
 

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Hmm I see. Well, dealing with people on a daily basis in retail for 10+years, I suppose it doesn't shock me that they extend that sort of ignorance to all areas. ((Get a lot of people trying to haggle to get stuff for cheaper in that environment, but not really too many trying to get it for completely nothing.)) Thanks for the insight. I really don't know much outside of my two little bubbles - art and the doldrums of retail. ((and even then, I'm pretty basic knowledge in those and ignorant ha))


So, in short - everyone takes everything for granted. Likely. Human beings are strangely fascinating.
 

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@Touchfuzzy : Ho sorry I bad explained what I meaned ...Let me rexplain what I wanted to say...I don't say the technologies was a result of the art just the art was a important part in technologies conception...(sorry for my bad explaination...) and I never say the other ''sector'' of the technologies is less important of the art ! (they are a symbiose of technique and hard work for build a new type of technologies)

And what I wanted to really say by ''art'' is a important part it is because it have for ''task'' to make  the creation actractive to people.

(imagine the enginer create a super new kind of car...but you don't took a car designer (who draw the design so he is a artist x3) for make it look beautifull....I think people will not buy a ugly car same it powerfull and really cool!)

it was i really mean...I hope you understand what i wanted to say....

sankyou
 

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