The Walking Dead

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

why are you even arguing about this.

like what relevance does this have to ANYTHING

also my post about davidson had nothing to do with how much money he made—he wasn't even a character that we saw, just mentioned by name. i was just adding on to the talk of government safehouses.

Do you always have to post in all caps?

Anyways, this has plenty of relevance. Look at who is struggling to survive. Most of the characters would not have any resources to at least have shelter to hide in. They would not have private planes and helicopters to have better transportation. The good guys struggle to have a meal. The rich would not struggle for this meal. The rich would be able to hire personal protection and maybe expand to create a safe colony.

The point I was trying to make was that the financial situation doesn't matter. It's not a central theme to this at all. In fact, it's not even a relevant theme that has been explored. Because. Money doesn't matter in this situation. Again, you're over-analyzing.

This theme has been hit many times. Social class is always a theme in every show. Social class clearly existed before and after the outbreak. The social class theme is mostly shown indirectly to give the view something to think about.

There is a term for this. I can't think of it at the moment. Brain Dead.....................

Edit: I found the term. It's called a Content Analysis. It is when someone researches media and studies the social massages.

 

[Des]

Do you always have to post in all caps?

I didn't post in all caps.

Anyways, this has plenty of relevance. Look at who is struggling to survive. Most of the characters would not have any resources to at least have shelter to hide in. They would not have private planes and helicopters to have better transportation. The good guys struggle to have a meal. The rich would not struggle for this meal. The rich would be able to hire personal protection and maybe expand to create a safe colony.

what are you even talking about. private planes? NONE OF THIS STUFF is even mentioned in the walking dead—not the show, not the comics, not the game. honestly i'm just TOTALLY CONFUSED now because you're rambling about things that just have nothing to do with anything. you sound like some kind of conspiracy theorist.

This theme has been hit many times. Social class is always a theme in every show. Social class clearly existed before and after the outbreak.

no it hasn't. if you think that the walking dead has some kind of "class warfare" theme, PLEASE show some kind of evidence because this just is not supported by the literature.

if ANYTHING, the theme would be the LACK of social classes in the aftermath of the apocalypse—but even then, the series really doesn't touch on that much at all. it's about the individuals and the survivor mentality.

really dude i'm just kind of dumbfounded because you're pulling this stuff out of nowhere and honestly i don't even understand the point that you are trying to make. if you have evidence i'd be happy to discuss the literature with you but COME ON there's just no basis for this discussion anywhere in the franchise.

 

[crimcrim]

This theme has been hit many times. Social class is always a theme in every show. Social class clearly existed before and after the outbreak. The social class theme is mostly shown indirectly to give the view something to think about.

There is a term for this. I can't think of it at the moment. Brain Dead.....................

Edit: I found the term. It's called a Content Analysis. It is when someone researches media and studies the social massages.

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wat.

um. The whole point of The Walking Dead is the BREAKDOWN OF SOCIAL CLASSES. It was never a central theme. It RARELY is a central theme. I hate to take freiza's own words but you're sounding like a conspiracy theorist. hardcore.

the Frick is going on

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

You both are wrong. Social classes do exist in the walking dead. Most of the pre-outbreak social classes do not exist. However, new social classes are created in the new world among different groups.

The walking dead displays a Patriarchy society. This means the male is the focal point in this society. The men typically(not always) have more power than women.

There is a governor. He is the leader in his group. He has a position of power. Rick is the leader in his group. Every group has a leader. Thus this is SOCIAL CLASS.

Look at the Saviors. Their group is very powerful. They're more powerful than most groups. Again this is social class.

Don't call me a conspiracy theorist. I'm not saying the rich created the outbreak. I'm not saying that the rich does not want to help people in need. I'm saying they have more resources to do far much better than the majority of the characters.

 

[Des]

You both are wrong. Social classes do exist in the walking dead. Most of the pre-outbreak social classes do not exist. However, new social classes are created in the new world among different groups.

The walking dead displays a Patriarchy society. This means the male is the focal point in this society. The men typically(not always) have more power than women.

There is a governor. He is the leader in his group. He has a position of power. Rick is the leader in his group. Every group has a leader. Thus this is SOCIAL CLASS.

Look at the Saviors. Their group is very powerful. They're more powerful than most groups. Again this is social class.

okay—nobody's arguing against this. this line of discussion could lead to a fun conversation.

but it is very different than your initial ramblings about rich people and private airplanes and secret bases.

honestly dude, it sounds like your high school social studies class was talking about this stuff in school today and you decided to come here and impart your glorious new knowledge on this thread.

if you want to talk about the literature, talk about the literature. otherwise this is a waste of everybody's time.

 

[crimcrim]

You both are wrong. Social classes do exist in the walking dead. Most of the pre-outbreak social classes do not exist. However, new social classes are created in the new world among different groups.

The walking dead displays a Patriarchy society. This means the male is the focal point in this society. The men typically(not always) have more power than women.

There is a governor. He is the leader in his group. He has a position of power. Rick is the leader in his group. Every group has a leader. Thus this is SOCIAL CLASS.

Confirmed for conspiracy theorist. Dude this is ridiculous beyond belief. When has any of this actually mattered. You're just arguing things that don't pertain to the comic at all. it's almost like you're trying to disprove society as a whole in some way using a comic that doesn't even HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL CLASS.

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

okay—nobody's arguing against this. this line of discussion could lead to a fun conversation.

but it is very different than your initial ramblings about rich people.

honestly dude, it sounds like your high school social studies class was talking about this stuff in school today and you decided to come here and impart your glorious new knowledge on this thread.

if you want to talk about the literature, talk about the literature. otherwise this is a waste of everybody's time.

My post is not different from the other posts. My posts explained to you what resources the upper class would most likely have to increase their chances to outlive the outbreak. Since you could not understand I had to explain deeper and deeper. I gave you an example of the current class system in the Walking Dead.

I'm not in high school. Don't act like you know me.

I can talk about whatever I want in this topic that is related to The Walking Dead. FYI Social Class is a major factor in EVERY form of media. It is major in the TV show and in the comics.

If you think this is a waste of your time then ignore my posts. You aren't forced to read a damn thing I say. If my post offends you then I don't care. I'm not a nice guy.

Confirmed for conspiracy theorist. Dude this is ridiculous beyond belief. When has any of this actually mattered. You're just arguing things that don't pertain to the comic at all. it's almost like you're trying to disprove society as a whole in some way using a comic that doesn't even HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOCIAL CLASS.

Don't insult me. Social Class has a lot to do with The Walking Dead. Look at the damn Governor. He abused his power and took advantage of his new elite social class and status. He was on a level of an untouchable man among his group. They followed him to their deaths.

Look at the Saviors. They've reached a new social status and they abuse their social status. They take from the weak. They kill the helpless. They offer protection to other groups they also bully the other groups. This is call Social Class and Social Status.

You must realize social status and social class to understand The Walking Dead. New Social classes have been formed among the leaders and the groups.

I'm not disprove our real society. I'm looking at the The Walking Dead's pre post and post outbreak societies.

Oh my nerves are now bad. I need some sweet tea please.

 

[Levi]

You just love playing the victim here.

Don't insult me. Don't insult me. Don't insult me. Stop calling me that. Stop it. Don't call me that.

You're feeding the very fire that burns you. I'd quit while you're behind. Besides... this is an open forum. If you post opinions (which is all these are... opinions) you have to be ready for others to disagree. And you have to have the stones for it.

I initially felt bad, for having derailed this thread, but seeing the ****storm that followed (that is totally not my fault) makes me feel a bit better.

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

You just love playing the victim here.

You're feeding the very fire that burns you. I'd quit while you're behind. Besides... this is an open forum. If you post opinions (which is all these are... opinions) you have to be ready for others to disagree. And you have to have the stones for it.

I initially felt bad, for having derailed this thread, but seeing the ****storm that followed (that is totally not my fault) makes me feel a bit better.

It's one thing to disagree with someone's opinion.It's another to start calling them names.

I'm not expecting anyone to agree with my opinions. However, what I have said is fact. There are social classes in the Walking Dead. The world has changed and new social classes have emerged. This cannot be denied. This was clearly shown in the last issue. Read these two examples The first one is about group social status and the other is about individual social status.

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The Saviors is a powerful group who has higher status than neighboring groups. They offer protection for another group's resources. Now they are demanding Rick's group for resources. The Saviors abuse their power and still kill some people they protect for sport.

The governor is the easiest person to analyze. He was the head man of his group. He raped a woman and got away with it. He killed innocent people and got away with it. He was an untouchable man in his group. People followed his orders. He had "troops" and supplies. He gained power and resources. This is called social status. He had a high social rank in his group. You cannot deny this. This is fact, not an opinion.

 

[Des]

However, what I have said is fact. There are social classes in the Walking Dead. The world has changed and new social classes have emerged. This cannot be denied. This was clearly shown in the last issue. Read these two examples The first one is about group social status and the other is about individual social status.

nobody is denying this. we are denying your initial argument that the walking dead was concerned with "rich people" having an advantage in the ZA—which simply wasn't true.

if you want to talk about the NEW SOCIAL CLASSES that emerge from the zombie apocalypse, that's a GOOD DISCUSSION TO LEAD INTO.

however that has nothing to do with "what resources the upper class would most likely have to increase their chances to outlive the outbreak"

what people had BEFORE the ZA was irrelevant—especially within the walking dead franchise. this is a series that looks in-depth at the characters AFTER the ZA—and how they change as time CONTINUES TO PASS. if we want to turn the discussion away from that "upper class advantage" nonsense (which i don't understand why you brought it up in the first place but whatever) and actually examine the social structure of the NEW WORLD then that's great.

so now with this BS out of the way and hopefully everybody is on the same page, we can turn the discussion towards something productive:

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let's look at the possibilities for the new social structure of rick's group "underneath" the power of Negan's group. now that negan has killed glenn and made it very clear that he wants to "b reak" rick in front of his people, we're facing a potential massive shift. personally i want negan to break rick and his group. they have been ON TOP for a very long time, and to see someone else take that role—especially this late into the series—will lead to some rewarding story and character developments.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

The things that matter after the apocalypse is less what you have, and more what you know.

The people who will do well are people like hunters, survival experts. Generally not rich people. Rich people rely to heavily on the monetary system for everyday survival, because they can, and it works in our current society.

I would posit the reason why we don't see formally rich people often in zombie stuff is because... they are the kind of people who would have died early on.

(Also, from a meta-story perspective, zombie stuff works on appealing to our own situations. We want to see people like us, middle/lower class people from humble backgrounds surviving and kicking ass in a world turned upside down. Its about US)

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

nobody is denying this. we are denying your initial argument that the walking dead was concerned with "rich people" having an advantage in the ZA—which simply wasn't true.

if you want to talk about the NEW SOCIAL CLASSES that emerge from the zombie apocalypse, that's a GOOD DISCUSSION TO LEAD INTO.

however that has nothing to do with "what resources the upper class would most likely have to increase their chances to outlive the outbreak"

what people had BEFORE the ZA was irrelevant—especially within the walking dead franchise. this is a series that looks in-depth at the characters AFTER the ZA—and how they change as time CONTINUES TO PASS. if we want to turn the discussion away from that "upper class advantage" nonsense (which i don't understand why you brought it up in the first place but whatever) and actually examine the social structure of the NEW WORLD then that's great.

so now with this BS out of the way and hopefully everybody is on the same page, we can turn the discussion towards something productive:

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let's look at the possibilities for the new social structure of rick's group "underneath" the power of Negan's group. now that negan has killed glenn and made it very clear that he wants to "b reak" rick in front of his people, we're facing a potential massive shift. personally i want negan to break rick and his group. they have been ON TOP for a very long time, and to see someone else take that role—especially this late into the series—will lead to some rewarding story and character developments.

no it hasn't. if you think that the walking dead has some kind of "class warfare" theme, PLEASE show some kind of evidence because this just is not supported by the literature.

First off you're lying. You said that social class was not a theme in The Walking Dead.

Stop telling me what I can talk about in this thread. I have every right to talk about this. I am on subject.

Secondly stop putting words into my mouth. Read my posts before making judgement. I never said The Walking Dead was focused on rich people. I said Zombie series in general does not include wealthy characters. I stated my reasons why this maybe the case.

What people had before the outbreak is very relevant. As stated before government officials are most likely kept in a safe location. Rich people would have better forms of transportation. The Walking Dead TV show has shown the group on the highway near Atlanta. It was a huge traffic jam.

Think about military soldiers. It is extremely relevant to what they had. We know that they have weapons and possibly food. However, their social status may still exist. People may expect protection or information about the outbreak.

Look at Hershel's family. What they had before the outbreak was extremely important. They had a farm with resources. That is very relevant.

Glenn's pre-outbreak life was very important for the group. He was a pizza boy. He understood how to find quick shortcuts in the city to avoid zombie hordes. His past life was always important to the group. They were able to find resources much faster and safer.

The things that matter after the apocalypse is less what you have, and more what you know.

The people who will do well are people like hunters, survival experts. Generally not rich people. Rich people rely to heavily on the monetary system for everyday survival, because they can, and it works in our current society.

I would posit the reason why we don't see formally rich people often in zombie stuff is because... they are the kind of people who would have died early on.

(Also, from a meta-story perspective, zombie stuff works on appealing to our own situations. We want to see people like us, middle/lower class people from humble backgrounds surviving and kicking ass in a world turned upside down. Its about US)

I agree that writers and producers want us to relate to the characters. I do believe they want us to acknowledge the past social system. It's true that hunters and survival experts have the skill advantage. However, rich people have advantages as well such as gated communities. A gated community can be a blessing or a curse. It all depends on how well the community is organized. The rich would have better forms of transportation such as private planes.

Then are some rich people who have never none anything for themselves. They don't know how to cook, clean, wash, shoot a gun, etc. This group most likely committed suicide.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

I agree that writers and producers want us to relate to the characters. I do believe they want us to acknowledge the past social system. It's true that hunters and survival experts have the skill advantage. However, rich people have advantages as well such as gated communities. A gated community can be a blessing or a curse. It all depends on how well the community is organized. The rich would have better forms of transportation such as private planes.

Private planes don't mean a lot if you have no where to actually go in it.

Actually I think previous social class is a sort of theme in zombie horror. But much more in the: It doesn't matter what you had before, way than in that rich people have an advantage. Money doesn't mean jack **** without somewhere to spend it. Gated communities are a joke, I could get into one by myself now if I had a reason to, and after the zombie apocalypse do you really think those guards are going to stay on staff? What for? Food? Do they have supplies in those gated communities?

And planes? Sure, maybe they could get it off the ground, depending on how fast it happened, but where are they going to go?

I would say better than a plane honestly would be a yacht. Try and make your way to a deserted island with some natural resources maybe. Actually... you would want a sail boat, wouldn't want to rely on gas, otherwise you have to come to shore for fuel. Ok, in this one instance, a dude with a sailboat, I admit he is in a better position. If he can get to his boat and disembark and find an island with no one living on it.

 

[Des]

ok i give up. even when i very clearly tried to steer the conversation into actual discussion of the literature you take offense to it somehow. it's like you came in here to start some kind of argument when everybody else just wants to talk about the show and comics.

whatever. go ahead and **** all over this thread. you can have it. i tried.

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

Private planes don't mean a lot if you have no where to actually go in it.

Actually I think previous social class is a sort of theme in zombie horror. But much more in the: It doesn't matter what you had before, way than in that rich people have an advantage. Money doesn't mean jack **** without somewhere to spend it. Gated communities are a joke, I could get into one by myself now if I had a reason to, and after the zombie apocalypse do you really think those guards are going to stay on staff? What for? Food? Do they have supplies in those gated communities?

And planes? Sure, maybe they could get it off the ground, depending on how fast it happened, but where are they going to go?

I would say better than a plane honestly would be a yacht. Try and make your way to a deserted island with some natural resources maybe. Actually... you would want a sail boat, wouldn't want to rely on gas, otherwise you have to come to shore for fuel. Ok, in this one instance, a dude with a sailboat, I admit he is in a better position. If he can get to his boat and disembark and find an island with no one living on it.

Money would actually have value at the beginning of the crisis. At this time the situation would not had be an outbreak.

A sail boat isn't perfect. You're going to need repairs so you're forced to go back on land.

The group's main transportation has been a mobile home and a few cars. If Rick knew how to drive the tank in Episode 1 and 2 then he would not had a problem at all.

 

[Peltron]

I started watching I guess halfway through, when

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the white labs blew up. That's when I got hooked to the show. I have been meaning to get into the comics, but ugh, no one sells them here!I am always surprised by the show, and in a good way. I have been waiting for a show like this for a while, especially for zombies—hardcore zombie fan here. The cast is truly enjoyable too, every single one of them. Even though Shane was a sociopath and I knew his end had to come sooner or later, his death shocked me.

And how Rick felt during and after was just truly great. "I didn't ask for this. I killed my best friend for you people!" that was a turning point in Rick's character; he's definitely going to be far more firm with his laws and whatnot, so he doesn't lose anyone else. And Carl needs to learn to think before he does things! :sigh

Sorry if I rambled. I try to get what I mean down as clearly as possible, but sometimes its hard.

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

It's for a Walking Dead discussion. Do you think Lori was wrong to have a relationship with Shane?

Let's look at the facts. Lori, Shane, and Carl believed Rick was dead. There was good evidence to believe that. Rick was in a coma and Atlanta was bombed. The hospital where Rick was at was filled with walkers. He didn't receive any medical attention for weeks. He didn't eat for weeks. Rick's chances were extremely slim. We all know Rick pulled it out.

Lori was faithful after Rick's return and never went back to Shane.

 

[gavind]

Totally agree. Lori has her conscience cleared. Not her fault to fall to a man to be always by her side. Knowing that her husband is already dead. The scenario could get you very lonely.

 

[RATED-RKOFRANKLIN]

The season premiere is Oct 14! Who's ready for The Walking Dead?

There are two things that come to my mind about the show. The demographic has a few problems. The group is in the South. I find it odd that very few Walkers are African American. The south has a large African American population. It just doesn't appear to be realistic for a Southern setting.

The other thing that has been on my mind is the infection. Logically not every person should die from the infection. There are bound to be some immune people from a realistic point of view. I wonder if the creators will ever put this in the storylines.

 

[Levi]

The season premiere is Oct 14! Who's ready for The Walking Dead?

I'm pumped!

There are two things that come to my mind about the show. The demographic has a few problems. The group is in the South. I find it odd that very few Walkers are African American. The south has a large African American population. It just doesn't appear to be realistic for a Southern setting.

Depends where in the south of course. As of 2010, Washington D.C. actually has the highest AA population. 50% of the whole population. Next closest is Mississippi at 37%. Then Georgia at 30%. Maryland at 29%... then a pretty sharp drop down into 10~%. A good chunk of the southern states are at 15% and less of whole population. That's 1-2 out of 10. Then factoring that they aren't evenly distributed throughout the population location wise [that is, they tend gather in/keep to certain areas] it could be argued that even in a city of 10%-30%, you could still go without seeing one unless you are in a certain part of the city.

The other thing that has been on my mind is the infection. Logically not every person should die from the infection. There are bound to be some immune people from a realistic point of view. I wonder if the creators will ever put this in the storylines.

Spoiler - Circa end of last season

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Techincally, everyone is immune... since everyone is already infected. It's only after death, when the immune drive shuts down completely (or after severe injury, when immune response is weakened) that the virus takes over. It's the perfect virus, since it 'strikes' only when a persons immune system is stressed/weakened.