Unpopular Opinions: The Thread

[Countyoungblood]

I haven't seen a flame war in years! lol But yea, guys. No use fighting over the interwebs.

@Tai_MT I agree with a lot of your points. Up until The Last Of Us. You leave Naughty Dog alone!

On Topic: (This might get a little political)

Just like Tai_MT, it truly infuriates me that people get offended over every little thing. As if EVERYTHING needs a response. Last I checked, we live in America where we have the freedom to say and do whatever we want. If it offends you....so what? As long as I'm not harming anyone, it shouldn't matter. Mind your business!

I rather spend my weekends at home on my computer or PS4 than go out. Going out costs money and only lasts a short time. I can be 1,000 times more productive staying home.

I don't like when people are perfectionists. I'm sure they're great people but when they start to freak out because one little thing goes wrong or they fail to adapt to new situations, I get put off by them.

I don't like when people cry themselves to sleep. Or wallow in self pity. Or just crying PERIOD. I think the time used for crying could be spent doing more productive things like solving the reason for why you're crying in the first place.

To leftists: Use facts first, not feelings. It's good to have morals and all that jazz but if it's not backed up by facts, it's useless.
To rightists: Not all things can be proven. Just because someone doesn't have proof, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I've seen this used as an excuse to delegitimize actual issues.

Good ol' rap is dead. I don't like what it is now. Even though I don't like his music, I feel bad for XXXteantacion. That was really sad; he didn't deserve that. From the sounds of it, the guy was trying to turn his life around.

Guns should not be outlawed. This "more strict gun laws" agenda needs to stop. In NY state, it's extremely difficult to own a firearm. People often miss the fact that a lot of these shootings happen because a parent didn't lock up their guns or had someone mentally ill living in their homes. There should be laws towards those issues instead. Leave law abiding citizens alone. I have a right to self preservation.

There are only two genders.

I don't trust the government. Liberal or conservative.

Unfortunately i cant resist. Using " we lib in amerka" as a reason to why other people (maybe amerkinz) shouldnt be offended or more importantly express being offended is nonsense.

The offended have the same right to tell you how stupid you are just as you have the right to be stupid.

 

[Ryisunique]

Spoiler: Reactions to certain ones

Ok I'm at work and waiting for our site to come back up to test an update so here's some more of my controversial opinions while I wait:

8) Speaking of which, I know it's been mentioned by others but I hate the idea of digital games tied to a server since they can always be taken from you. There's a reason I still purchase physical copies of my games, even if it IS more expensive (which it never is).

Same, especially with Movies, TV and Music. I know that when things fall, I won't have them anymore and it will suck.

Unpopular opinions. Part 3. For me.

Most managers of stores/businesses/restaurants are really freakin' terrible at their jobs. They have no idea what they're doing.

You are at work to work. You are not at work to make friends or have fun. When you leave or your friends leave, you are not friends with them anymore. You move on or they move on and you cease hanging out or talking. Fact of life. Knowing this, you should be at your job to work and earn your paycheck.

I need that second part plastered everywhere at every single Wal-Mart that has lazy cashiers that go through candy expiration dates instead of getting on a lane and checking people out.

Keyboard and mouse interface isn't superior to controllers. It's got tighter aim, but movement is worse. Controllers have far superior movement with not very tight aim. It's a trade-off. Neither is superior. Besides, a Holodeck has the best Controls ever for video games.

Thank you.

I've never seen a single game with a "time rewind" mechanic executed well or executed in a very fun and interesting way. Developers need to embrace this mechanic fully or stop implementing it.

Okay, I got a question. Is is physical time rewind or a mental one? There's a game I like that had the player get a special dust, apply it to clocks to see past events, and it would interesting to reproduce with tweaks.

My Unpopular Opinions -

1. Hidden Object games are good.
2. Everything needs to stop being online based.
3. A good chunk of games need to stop being friend/follower based.
   
4. I have never played FF, Zelda or many of the older RPGs, and I don't think I need to.
5. PS controller over XBox style.
   
6. Ham is disgusting.
7. There needs to be cheaper, healthier snacks to pack in lunches that don't need refrigeration.
   
8. Reality TV shows (especially those centered around games as well) bring out the worst of humanity and needs to be faded out.
9. The trope Abused to Abuser needs to stop being a plot device.
10. Magick for spells and actual wielding and Magic for tricks and cons.
11. People could really learn to understand how badly events can mess up their mental capacities and how one just can't get better on TV shows and movies within a couple of episodes.
12. CA: Civil War came out at the absolute worst time for this country.

 

[TengHu]

Unfortunately i cant resist. Using " we lib in amerka" as a reason to why other people (maybe amerkinz) shouldnt be offended or more importantly express being offended is nonsense.

The offended have the same right to tell you how stupid you are just as you have the right to be stupid.

You absolutely have the right to be offended. No one is taking that away from you. But taking away my right to do or say certain things simply because it might offend someone is simply ludicrous.

A coworker of mine had to take a picture of her family down because it offended a homosexual employee at the office. He said that by having the picture up, she was flaunting her heterosexuality. If a simple picture offends someone, where do we draw the line? Do I have to walk around eggshells now because the slightest thing might set someone off? Or will we turn into Canada where if we insult someone, we're reprimanded with jail time?

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Unpopular Opinion Incoming

What in the world is up with gamers not liking Cyberpunk 2077 for being in first person? They're acting like FPS games haven't been around since the beginning of games. Please don't use the argument that you want to see your character because you took so long to edit him/her. Hell, real life is in first person and you edit yourself every single day! Where's your third person camera? Selfies don't count!

The game developers at CD Project RED have my full support. I trust that their choice of first person view is a great one.

 

[Robin Hoot]

RPG Maker made games aren't worth buying.

 

[Matseb2611]

Regarding the being offended topic, I too think that getting offended over everything is silly. 99% of the time when people say "I am offended at this" is a way to exert control over you and put you in place that fits their worldview. It's basically a cop out solution on their behalf because they don't want to tackle what you said.

However, I also believe this - freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility. You take responsibility for what you say. If you say something rude, highly opinionated, and provocative that is bound to start an argument or even a fight, don't go playing the victim afterwards that it's your freedom and that other people disagreeing with you are the ones starting a conflict. If you don't like to face the consequences of your words or actions, then maybe it's for the best you don't do them to begin with. You can't have a cause without the effect. Those two things go hand in hand.

 

[Countyoungblood]

@rgangsta well said thats a good example kind of goofy how things went with the whole sexuality thing. It seems as if acomodating other people and trying to be sensitive has opened the door to creating suffering for those who werent opressed enough before.

Kind of like how nobody hires a white male as a token even if there isnt even one there or its sexism to have an all male workforce yet its empowering to have an all female force.

Regarding the being offended topic, I too think that getting offended over everything is silly. 99% of the time when people say "I am offended at this" is a way to exert control over you and put you in place that fits their worldview. It's basically a cop out solution on their behalf because they don't want to tackle what you said.

However, I also believe this - freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility. You take responsibility for what you say. If you say something rude, highly opinionated, and provocative that is bound to start an argument or even a fight, don't go playing the victim afterwards that it's your freedom and that other people disagreeing with you are the ones starting a conflict. If you don't like to face the consequences of your words or actions, then maybe it's for the best you don't do them to begin with. You can't have a cause without the effect. Those two things go hand in hand.

As a highly opinionated person i think adding opinionated in here is a misfit. Opinions arent gold theyre just personal perspective. Its a different situation when someone throws a fit until things change to how they like them but just having an opinion isnt the problem.

Opinions are bits of information collected from our world as viewed through a particular lense of perception each of which are like snowflakes beautifully unique and of very little value on its own.

 

[Matseb2611]

Well, what I meant in this context by 'highly opinionated' is someone who has a bit too high regard for their own views, who thinks their opinions are a lot better informed or more logical than other people's and is stubborn about changing their views when presented with good opposing points. Perhaps 'conceited' would be a better term here.

 

[Tai_MT]

Regarding the "take responsibility for offering your opinions if they're rude, highly opinionated, or provocative" thing.

Why isn't it also the responsibility of those hearing such opinions to take the high road and not start a fight with them, when such opinions don't affect their own lives? It's quite easy to "walk away" or "ignore" an opinion you don't like. But, too many people take it upon themselves to try to insert their opinions as facts or to argue against a personal opinion.

My opinion on such a thing is that you shouldn't start a fight over someone's opinion unless they are trying to use it as the basis for changing the world or changing an aspect of your life. Live and Let Live. One is free to disagree and offer their own opinion. But if you're offering your opinion as a counter to someone else's, you should have the respect to realize that your opinion is no more valid than their own. Thus, fighting about it is stupid and silly.

I have the opinion that it is quite possible to read or hear something that "offends" you and just ignore it and deal with and not start a fight over it. No matter how terrible you think it sounds to you. The world would be a better place if we could "agree to disagree" and go about our days.

As long as someone is not trying to intentionally hurt you or mess with your life, there is no reason to intentionally hurt them or mess with theirs.

 

[Countyoungblood]

Well, what I meant in this context by 'highly opinionated' is someone who has a bit too high regard for their own views, who thinks their opinions are a lot better informed or more logical than other people's and is stubborn about changing their views when presented with good opposing points. Perhaps 'conceited' would be a better term here.

Ah ok that makes more sense people that are right because theyre "better" not because of good logical reasoning.

I think this might be an area of potential misunderstanding too though since intuition has value but isnt always easily articulated someone might genuinely feel a certain way because of understanding and expirience without a bloated ego but be unable to express the fine details that make up the feeling. but even if the argument is logical sometimes its hard to know where the other person sits in logical reasoning ability and its not always worth the time to break down boring concepts to reach the point. Ironically the ignorant stay ignorant partially because people dont want to take the time to argue and explain the fine details that cause their faulty logic. Nobody wants to argue with an idiot it takes too much work! >.<

 

[bgillisp]

@Robin Hoot : Then why are you here, as you just said your own game is never going to be worth anything.

 

[TengHu]

@rgangsta ...or its sexism to have an all male workforce yet its empowering to have an all female force.

THIS! I'm all about empowering women and stuff but this sexism thing is really truly getting out of hand.

One more unpopular opinion: Anita Sarkeesian is pretty. Annoying but so very pretty I just need like one date.

 

[Countyoungblood]

@Robin Hoot : Then why are you here, as you just said your own game is never going to be worth anything.

Lots of hobbies arent profitable but still enjoyable though there are cases of rpg maker making money there are quite a lot more that dont.

 

[Matseb2611]

Why isn't it also the responsibility of those hearing such opinions to take the high road and not start a fight with them, when such opinions don't affect their own lives? It's quite easy to "walk away" or "ignore" an opinion you don't like. But, too many people take it upon themselves to try to insert their opinions as facts or to argue against a personal opinion.

My opinion on such a thing is that you shouldn't start a fight over someone's opinion unless they are trying to use it as the basis for changing the world or changing an aspect of your life. Live and Let Live. One is free to disagree and offer their own opinion. But if you're offering your opinion as a counter to someone else's, you should have the respect to realize that your opinion is no more valid than their own. Thus, fighting about it is stupid and silly.

I have the opinion that it is quite possible to read or hear something that "offends" you and just ignore it and deal with and not start a fight over it. No matter how terrible you think it sounds to you. The world would be a better place if we could "agree to disagree" and go about our days.

As long as someone is not trying to intentionally hurt you or mess with your life, there is no reason to intentionally hurt them or mess with theirs.

I'll give you my two cents in response to this. I do agree that 99% of the time it's better to simply ignore and move on if you don't agree with something. But then there's the other element - if the only people you want responding to you are those that agree with you, then you end up in an echo chamber. Speaking out our thoughts and not have someone point out the flaws we might've missed out is counter-productive. It's just for people who like hearing their own voice (whether literally or in writing).

Intellectual debate is needed in order to reach the truth and find a solution to a problem. If people do not become too attached to their views and enter an argument with intent of reaching the truth, then it's possible for both parties to scrutinize each other's stances and point out legitimate flaws without it becoming heated. Even if there's no clear winner, if both parties leave the debate having learned something new, then it's already progress. In fact, "winning" an argument is childish. People who "win" arguments likely have not learned anything, and therefore the argument was more a waste of their time.

@Countyoungblood : Yeah, I can relate to that. I've been in arguments where I knew in order to get my point across, I'd have to break down some fine and detailed scientific concepts to a person who likely had zero interest in science and wouldn't give me more than 30 seconds to explain before interrupting. For that reason, you have no easier way than to simply not bother. Only if that person admits their lack of knowledge in the subject and is willing to hear you out, then it might work.

 

[Tai_MT]

I'll give you my two cents in response to this. I do agree that 99% of the time it's better to simply ignore and move on if you don't agree with something. But then there's the other element - if the only people you want responding to you are those that agree with you, then you end up in an echo chamber. Speaking out our thoughts and not have someone point out the flaws we might've missed out is counter-productive. It's just for people who like hearing their own voice (whether literally or in writing).

The main problem with this, is even if you point out all the ways that someone's opinion is wrong, or that they don't have all the facts... They ignore you anyway. People wanting to live "in an echo chamber" has little to do with whether or not they're exposed to other ideas. If they want other points of view, they'll seek them out. If they really only want their own opinions, they'll just ignore any evidence or facts you point out to them.

Intellectual debate is needed in order to reach the truth and find a solution to a problem. If people do not become too attached to their views and enter an argument with intent of reaching the truth, then it's possible for both parties to scrutinize each other's stances and point out legitimate flaws without it becoming heated. Even if there's no clear winner, if both parties leave the debate having learned something new, then it's already progress. In fact, "winning" an argument is childish. People who "win" arguments likely have not learned anything, and therefore the argument was more a waste of their time.

This rarely ever happens. More often than not, when a "difference of opinion" comes into focus, neither side is trying to learn from the other. Most often, they are trying to "prove the other wrong". They are trying to "win". They do this in order to validate their own worldviews. To validate their own existence.

How many people have you ever offered a counter opinion to, anywhere in life, that those people have changed their minds? Or even admitted "okay, you're right"? Even when you've presented overwhelming factual evidence?

Personally, in my 32 years of life. Maybe two people. One of them only did so 4 years after the fact when they realized things I'd been saying were right the whole time and they were stubborn. The other was because I'd managed to make them demonize their own opinion enough by simply asking questions about it.

There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion and offering a different opinion to someone else's. It is when you try to present your opinion as undeniable fact, or "the right thing" that we get into the problems.

You will not create an argument by saying, "Interesting opinion, here's mine". But you will create an argument by saying, "I disagree with your opinion, here's why". If a person is incapable of respecting a persons' opinion and must try to validate their own through the demeaning of someone else's... Then those people are better off just not saying anything.

Let's be honest here as well... Aside from this thread (which has even here, quite often, treaded into demeaning other peoples' opinions), most people aren't respectful of opinions they disagree with and decide to start a fight over it. Decide to be offended over it. Instead of ignoring it and moving on.

But, that's my opinion. The world is better served by "agree to disagree" instead of, "your opinion is wrong and eventually I'm going to call you a terrible human being for having it".

 

[Matseb2611]

Yeah, you do have a point that most times people are unwilling to listen, but there are those who do listen. It's natural that people become defensive if we tell them they're outright wrong. I think a better method is to simply point out flaws in their opinions and where it either conflicts with facts or contradicts itself from within. If they still disagree that is fine, then move on. You know, a lot of the time, people learn from arguments not during the argument, but way after it, once they've cooled down and had a time to reflect on what you said or seen what you said in action for themselves and realised you were right all along.

I still think we should take responsibility for what we say, regardless of whether other people decide to take responsibility for attacking you or not. You won't change the whole world, but you can change yourself. It helps to have some wits about the situation based on where we are and who surrounds us. For example, it's better off not saying a mildly racist joke in front of people whose race or nationality the joke is laughing at, because it'd be playing with fire, even if your joke is harmless and was not meant to offend.

 

[Countyoungblood]

The main problem with this, is even if you point out all the ways that someone's opinion is wrong, or that they don't have all the facts... They ignore you anyway. People wanting to live "in an echo chamber" has little to do with whether or not they're exposed to other ideas. If they want other points of view, they'll seek them out. If they really only want their own opinions, they'll just ignore any evidence or facts you point out to them.



This rarely ever happens. More often than not, when a "difference of opinion" comes into focus, neither side is trying to learn from the other. Most often, they are trying to "prove the other wrong". They are trying to "win".

If you believe other people are trying to win arguements for the sake of winning and you yourself like to argue are you saying you like to win arguements? For what? Sounds more like a childish make believe argument game.

The point of arguing your point of view is to sharpen and mold it. The point is growing your logical reasoning and adapting to the truth when you find it.

Believe it or not im not your enemy and i say what i do because everyone deserves to know when they have food on their face or logical flaws in their posts.

 

[Tai_MT]

If you believe other people are trying to win arguements for the sake of winning and you yourself like to argue are you saying you like to win arguements? For what? Sounds more like a childish make believe argument game.

Please stop trying to deliberately antagonize me. I've never once said I enjoy arguing and have frequently said that I don't. Please stop insisting on putting words in my mouth just because you have some personal vendetta against me.

The point of arguing your point of view is to sharpen and mold it. The point is growing your logical reasoning and adapting to the truth when you find it.

Show me at least one person who does that, and I'll go through their post history and show you that they don't. You can argue logic and facts, but arguing opinion is something people don't do to learn from. But, arguing logic and facts is usually reserved for beliefs and ideologies. Not opinions.

Believe it or not im not your enemy and i say what i do because everyone deserves to know when they have food on their face or logical flaws in their posts.

I find it funny that you think of yourself as my enemy. The one who frequently attacks me for no reason, is antagonistic to me and to others for no reason (You aren't even Brutally Honest people, you deliberately antagonize them to get a rise out of them like you're a troll. You don't care about logic or facts, only hurting feelings from what I've read of your posts).

I don't really think of you as anything other than a young child who hasn't yet experienced the world. Who hasn't matured yet. That's it. I am not some grand hero here to smite you, the self-appointed villain in whatever grand fantasy you think exists between us.

Is there a reason you've decided that you're my enemy? That it's your mission to do everything in your power to try to make me angry? I'm curious to know your motivations.

EDIT: @Matseb2611

I will agree with most of your post. I just personally feel like a joke is a joke, regardless of the content. For me, personally, either everything can be funny or nothing has a right to be funny. There is really no reason to be upset by a joke in my opinion unless you were already looking to be upset by it in the first place.

There's a reason offense is taken and not given. But, that's just my opinion on things. I'll apologize for someone being offended at a joke I'd said, but not for saying the joke in the first place.

At some point, a person should just let things roll off of their backs. Though, in my opinion, that has everything to do with intent. If I say something racist with the intent to upset you, I'm a freakin' jerk who needs to be called out on it. But, if I tell an off-color joke with the intent to make you laugh... Then, I don't really see the point in getting offended.

 

[Countyoungblood]

Please stop trying to deliberately antagonize me. I've never once said I enjoy arguing and have frequently said that I don't. Please stop insisting on putting words in my mouth just because you have some personal vendetta against me.



Show me at least one person who does that, and I'll go through their post history and show you that they don't. You can argue logic and facts, but arguing opinion is something people don't do to learn from. But, arguing logic and facts is usually reserved for beliefs and ideologies. Not opinions.



I find it funny that you think of yourself as my enemy. The one who frequently attacks me for no reason, is antagonistic to me and to others for no reason (You aren't even Brutally Honest people, you deliberately antagonize them to get a rise out of them like you're a troll. You don't care about logic or facts, only hurting feelings from what I've read of your posts).

I don't really think of you as anything other than a young child who hasn't yet experienced the world. Who hasn't matured yet. That's it. I am not some grand hero here to smite you, the self-appointed villain in whatever grand fantasy you think exists between us.

Is there a reason you've decided that you're my enemy? That it's your mission to do everything in your power to try to make me angry? I'm curious to know your motivations.

Philosophy is kind of built around arguing opinions.. any arguing is built around logic and arguing facts.... yeah...

logicly speaking..opinions based on personal experience can be changed by adding more information. Talking to someone about your expirience gives them an oportunity to give you information which might look like..

Yes, i too have seen this.

Or...

No, i havent seen this.


Or....

Something similar happened but i thought it was this.

Sometimes people agree with you. Thats information.

Sometimes people disagree with you. Thats information.

With new information your opinion changes. It might be stronger or weaker but all in all there is more information.

There is no reason to need references this is basic stuff these other guys already get. and i said im not your enemy this isnt a cartoon bro.

Being human means growing through interaction. Just playing my part.

 

[Robin Hoot]

@Robin Hoot : Then why are you here, as you just said your own game is never going to be worth anything.

I'm here because the community is helpful and I learn a lot here. I use RPG Maker purely for the fun of it and have no intention of selling games.

 

[Dalph]

RPG Maker made games aren't worth buying.

cough...cough...

Are you sure?

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