VX ace games locking up on Windows 8

[Doc.Bocknstein]

I'm unable to boot any VX games on my desktop. Attempting to boot ANY VX game results the game attempting to start then a complete system lockup regardless of how I set run permissions( running as admin and the like) or compadiability modes. No idea whats casuing this issue and I cant really investigate further due to my pc locking up. My specs are win 8 64 bit os on an i7 3770 3.40GHz cpu with 8 gigs of ram and geforce gt 620. All my drivers are up to date as well. Any ideas on what I could do to fix this?

 

[MisterTorgue]

Do you have the RTP installed on your desktop?

As people have an option not to include the RPG Maker VX Ace RTP and if they use said tiles it doesn't work.

It isn't an issue with your OS as I have it and it all works fine!

 

[_Shadow_]

Windows 8 probably cause that.

Windows 8 is probably the problem.

Since I will never install this to my PC, I have no experience with the W8 environment and menus.

I can give you a few suggestions though.

Do you run a firewall?

Do you run an anti virus solution?

Does Windows 8 have a firewall? (It probably has)

Check out if there is something like:

"Block apps that have no digital signature",

or

"Block apps that are from unknown source",

or stuff like that.

Google Chrome (false positive) detects all executables of VX Ace games as malicious software.

That happens because.... I don't know... I assume because it has no digital signature...

Same security policies might occur on Windows 8.

I don't know.

I run on Windows 7 without any problem.

I am not sure why this happens to you, but it is probably a security policy issue of the Operating System or a Firewall. Or both. 

EDIT:

RTP should pop up a messagebox that says that "RTP MISSING"

But why not... install the RTP first then check again....

http://www.rpgmakerweb.com/download/additional/run-time-packages

And finally let me say that I love the way you tagged this.

 

[JosephSeraph]

I have a similar problem in my PC. In my case, it's related to MP3s. Try testing a clean project, with OGG as the title theme, and see if it locks up.

I can't play any game with MP3, they freeze up for some reason. But then again, my computer is in a pretty poor shape. @_@

It CAME with one of those HAO32 thingies.

 

[Doc.Bocknstein]

I had RTP from the start so that is not an issue. I tryed shutting off any sort of program or service that might cause an issue firewall anti virus and everything and still it locks up. No dice on all fronts.

 

[Rendar-]

Have you tried running in compatibility mode for Windows 7? And/or admin mode?

 

[MisterTorgue]

So is this trying to run external games or your own projects?

 

[_Shadow_]

You never answered me. 

Do you run a firewall?

Did you checked out for Windows 8 firewall and security policies that prevent non signed apps to execute?

 

[Shaz]

OP - do you mean VX games, or VX Ace games? Your post says one, but your profile says the other. They do not use the same RTP. If you have the Ace RTP installed but you are playing a VX game, it will not work.

Windows 8 probably cause that.


Windows 8 is probably the problem.


Since I will never install this to my PC, I have no experience with the W8 environment and menus.

That's a very ... narrow-minded response from someone who admits he hasn't used it


Many people run VX and Ace without any issues whatsoever on Windows 8, and many people have posted about problems running RPG Maker on EVERY version of Windows that has ever been released. So Windows 8 is probably NOT the problem.

 

[_Shadow_]

That's a very ... narrow-minded response from someone who admits he hasn't used it

You are 100% right. It sounds narrow minded. I am biased and i admit it. 

To be honest I am not forgiving on whatever Ms does wrong anymore.

Explaining in spolier, no hijack intended.

Spoiler

That's because I grew up with a Commodore Amiga.

But I was familiar also with PCs especially with Ms Dos which I loved.   

Also Windows 3.1 were great.   

And then came Windows 95   full of crashes.

Soime good and bad OSes came then....

What about Windows ME? Maybe it is the worst OS ever     

But Windows 2000 as nice!   

And then comes Windows XP.             Incredibly better than the others.

And then came Vista... 

But later came Windows 7     Love them. It's not a perfect OS. It has BSOD but at least I can do stuff and it is solid.

And then MS decided in the beginning of W8 (Not 8.1) that users will never use desktop again.     

Really?

I have to admit that I am a linux fan ok?But not a fanboy.

I hate fanboys, mostly because they know nothing about something, other than what marketing department of a company says.

I do NOT hate Microsoft. I actually appreaciate a lot of things MS did.

For instance:

Ms software on companies, if set up is done right, is really easy to maintain, modify and if you got problem YOU CALL MS. You don't wait for a reply on a Linux forum. Truth must be told.

Of course Ms products are software that comes with such a service, as a pack. You can not get the OS without service. So you have to pay for something you might not wanna buy. On the other hand "nobody forces you to buy it". Nobody except all gaming companies that don't release their games in Linux. Get my point? But that's not MS or Windows bad thing. We have to be fair.

Also a good point of view is that MS dares to try innovations. I love daring companies and Balmer cost a LOT in MS for just competing. But he had the guts to do it. Of course he could think smarter. It's 2014 not 1984.

For the record @Shaz , since you love W8 (I remember that) and I don't wanna make you feel bad, 

Satya Nadella made me feel really better about Ms.

We have a historical moment! .NET is Open Source now (I hope you heard the news).

This is significant. This is Linux community embracing Windows Community.

This is Ms collaborating than competing.

This is SMART!!!

Also older Windows owners (W8 included) will get for free Windows 10.

Smart move! VERY smart move. I

t's what they say, Brand Name value, is the value that your CEO and his partners make for the company! Since Balmer left (I like Steve Balmer but truth to be told) public belief for Ms became better after Nadella's moves. 

When it comes to operating system, I want it to make my life easier, not more limited.

I am not talking about 8.1 I am talking about the first release of W8 with no desktop.

What were they thinking???? 

That's why I avoided it. 

Still I am biased, since I want an OS to not limit what I can do, in any way.

And I am wrong and I admit it. 

Now to the point.

Yes I am biased.

But what I read seemed to me like:

1] Either a firewall blocking

2] Windows 8 has own firewall

3] Windows 8 has security policies.

I said that it might be the trouble maker, because I had solid reasons to assume that setting it differently will solve the problem.

Also... I assumed that the user uses an anti virus, up to date and has scanned for any virus infection...

If not, dear OP, start from there... get for instance the free version of Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and do a scan. This cleans my PC when something wrong happens.

If you make sure your PC is clean... then try out what I said. 

Finally, @Shaz I give you kisses and sorry if I made you feel bad about my post.

   

 

[Rendar-]

1] Either a firewall blocking

2] Windows 8 has own firewall

3] Windows 8 has security policies.

1. No. A firewall blocks internet connections. These are local games.

2. See #1.

3. Yes is does, but so does linux. And the OP said they tried running as admin.

 

[_Shadow_]

1. No. A firewall blocks internet connections. These are local games.

2. See #1.

3. Yes is does, but so does linux. And the OP said they tried running as admin.

1. No. A firewall blocks internet connections. These are local games.

Sorry, but I am afraid you are wrong.

For your reference, a firewall can have application control.

An anti virus too.

That said you can understand that what I ask is pretty valid.

Proof:

Google "firewall application control"

2. See #1.

Windows has application control anyway. I am not sure if is implemented into the firewall or it is stand alone.

3. Yes is does, but so does linux. And the OP said they tried running as admin.

"Run as admin" might not mean that an OS will not protect the admin from running something with no digital signature.

Hope this helps to clarify on what I was talking about.

Sorry if I was not clear. Excuse my poor English.    

 

[Rendar-]

1. No. A firewall blocks internet connections. These are local games.

Sorry, but I am afraid you are wrong.

For your reference, a firewall can have application control.

An anti virus too.

That said you can understand that what I ask is pretty valid.

Proof:

Google "firewall application control"

2. See #1.

Windows has application control anyway. I am not sure if is implemented into the firewall or it is stand alone.

3. Yes is does, but so does linux. And the OP said they tried running as admin.

"Run as admin" might not mean that an OS will not protect the admin from running something with no digital signature.

Hope this helps to clarify on what I was talking about.

Sorry if I was not clear. Excuse my poor English.    

#1 is semantics then, because a third-party firewall program will allow admins to disallow use of programs, but this is outside the scope and definition of an actual "firewall".

As for #2 the UAC (User Account Control) is independent of Windows Firewall, which only functions to block internet access on ports.

And #3, running as admin does let the user run an unsigned application.

 

[_Shadow_]

Oh please, yes ok you are right, but most modern "firewall solutions" comes with such features.

I tried not to be technical since the OP might be just a casual user.

You are right of course on the fact that firewalls monitor internet traffic in and out.

But most people treat a suite with a firewall, as a "friewall".

It's not about only UAC. There might be issues elsewhere. As OP said though UAC seems not to be the issue. A good thing would be checking the "admin" priviledges though.

#3 Are you sure about that? Doing so UAC is perfectly excluded as a possibility. 

It might actually be possible not allowing to execute not rated games or something.

Just a possibility. With so little info I can only guess.

 

[Rendar-]

Actually, running as admin on a Windows computer literally lets you do anything you want. It's the equivalent of root.

 

[_Shadow_]

Actually, running as admin on a Windows computer literally lets you do anything you want. It's the equivalent of root.

If you are 100% sure about that (I don't have experience on W8), then we can exclude that.

The real question is, can you put game rating apply on admin account or not?

This is the final thing to be sure about.

 

[Rendar-]

The could be possible but, AFAIK, there is no standard way to extrapolate the rating of a game from the file. This would have to be done on a case by case basis for exe program to purposefully block it. Or all programs could be blocked unless they are on a whitelist. Both situations are highly unlikely unless this is a school or work computer.

OP, I'd like to see a video of this happening if there's no error being shown, or a screenshot of the error so we can actually figure out what's going on.

 

[_Shadow_]

The could be possible but, AFAIK, there is no standard way to extrapolate the rating of a game from the file. This would have to be done on a case by case basis for exe program to purposefully block it. Or all programs could be blocked unless they are on a whitelist. Both situations are highly unlikely unless this is a school or work computer.

OP, I'd like to see a video of this happening if there's no error being shown, or a screenshot of the error so we can actually figure out what's going on.

Actually I am curios to learn about what is wrong too.

Since it might be a setting that is causing the trouble.

 

[Shaz]

At this point Dreadshadow, I would respectfully suggest that you step back and let someone who IS familiar with Windows 8 try to help the OP. It's totally okay that you don't like MS or Windows for all your reasons, but if you don't use it and don't have any experience with it, you really aren't in much of a position to give advice.


I'm going to move this over to Technical Issues. Andar is bound to come by before too long and offer some suggestions.


Other questions I can think of (and I'm sorry if you already said and I did't see them) ...


Are you running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1?


These are GAMES made with Ace or VX? You have the RTP installed for that specific maker?


What if you download games for other versions of the engine - XP maybe - will they run?


Are you running as admin on your computer?


Where are the games installed? Can you try installing them straight to C: drive instead of in Program Files or other Windows-specific folders?


Does this also happen if you use the editor to make your own map and either test play from the editor or play from the exe in the project folder?

 

[_Shadow_]

Not having personal experience is not the same with having no experience at all.

I toroubleshooted some issues before, that's why I am really unhappy with W8.

To other PCs I admit it, but still I got some experience on what might cause the trouble.

But yes. You are correct. I am in inferior position to anyone more familiar with it. I step back.

Edit:

Reading what I just wrote left me with a feeling of "drama" so just to clarify, no drama intended.