Can I just say how awesome you guys all are for talking about a volatile subject with people of differing points of view like adults and actually listening to what the other side has to say even if you don't agree? It's really amazing, thank you!
There's also a lot of rape being depicted as sexy, or simply as "I just can't control myself around you!" and they won't even mention it's rape, or think twice about it.
For a moment, I was really confused because I thought, 'But everyone's part of a fandom'. Then I realized you were talking about our own personal games. Plenty of games we make can have in-jokes and references and theories. Development gags are fairly common, and having something funny being said in feedback to a beta version can become something of an in-joke. And theories are common, even if you're not hugely popular. Everyone has epileptic trees about something.because none of us have fandoms large enough to have their own inside jokes, theories, and references.
Actually, with Pokémon it was only the first generation games that only let you play as a boy. The reason why that was, if I had to guess, is because the creator of Pokémon (a guy) used to love catching bugs as a kid, and that's how he came up with the idea for the games. And so, the first games were to feature a boy character.Because there's a large, LARGE history behind how female characters are treated in videogames. Remember how there wasn't even an option to play as a girl in the early Pokemon games? Yeah, there's a reason for that. Couldn't believe South Park got away with that either, but at least they added the option in their newest game.
Then, would you say that Black Rock Shooter looks cool? (I know it's unrelated, but I'm just curious to know what you think of the example I mentioned earlier.)@Milennin I think what you're missing is that female's definition of sexy and cool and male's definition of sexy and cool are different, not just for what men look like but also for what the girls look like. For example, girls don't see enormous bust sizes as sexy, they see it as painful and actually kind of ugly. Ugh, especially the bouncing stuff. That stuff makes me actually hurt in sympathy. I'm not saying that female fan service doesn't exist, just that it isn't as prevalent as stuff made for men. Not by a long shot.
No, because first, I still don't know what girls consider fanservice aimed at them. Is it seeing half naked guys? Butt shots? Or just a good romance? It seems like the only thing girls like to admit to having fanservice for them is the anime Free (which Celianna mentioned), which I haven't watched myself, but from what I've read of it I know it's about a group of guys that go swimming and, supposedly, has some yaoi undertones.@Milennin Let me try explaining my point in a different way. You've brought up lots of examples of male oriented fan service that make women uncomfortable enough to quit watching/playing/reading. Can you come up with as many examples of female oriented fan service in a story/game that would otherwise be enjoyable to men that makes men uncomfortable like that? Or any at all?
@Milennin I can see how it might be true in Fairytale, but FYI a lot of the things you're pointing out as female oriented fan service are actually male oriented wish fulfillment. Not intended for girls at all. Girls are wired differently though, a guy in a great tux is at least as sexy as a half dressed toned man (bulky muscle isn't a general attractor for the majority of women, most of us prefer slim and toned). So our fanservice is going to look different.
I watched that show before multiple times, and the female fanservice can be confidently said to be there because they put emphasis on it a whole lot. It covers a nice variety of men and they really do their all to showcase them as eye candy for ladies (detailed close up shots, still frames with sparkles everywhere. Some of it, even a bit to too much till it reaches comedic effect but the main thing here is still putting emphasis on it). Just like how other media with huge male fanservice showcase their ladies.Ouran Host Club would be a pretty good example of a wide range of female fanservice.