Will the Human Race evolve and branch into two different species?

[Deleted]

If you look at the history of humanity, humans are descendants of apes. This is a known scientific fact. So, in theory; it should be possible to evolve into a separate species within long periods of time due to natural selection and variation in climate. For example, people with blue eyes have a gene mutation which now exists in modern Humans because of natural selection. This is my opinion, and I am curious to hear opinions form within the forum community.

Not that I want to get into a Religious or philosophical debate, as I just come here to play games, but check this out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckfrn5-86xU

 

[whitesphere]

I think our understanding of evolution is a model of a process, roughly like how Newton's classic laws of physics were accurate models, but the models themselves are approximations to the real process.  Einstein's Theory of General Relativity and quantum physics get us closer, but for most purposes, Newton's laws work quite well for 99% of what most people do.

Similarly, our theories of evolution are accurate models based on the conditions we've observed so far.  If, for example, we DID encounter intelligent alien life forms who COULD interbreed with humans, that would mean our theories are not completely accurate.  

Sort of how scientists recently (within this past decade) found there are actual taste bud cells scattered throughout our skin, so clearly our skin DOES have some use for them.  Or how we found that body fat is NOT, as previously believed, a merely passive storage facility.  It actively sends out hormones for its own purposes.

I find it fascinating when we learn more especially when the new facts show limits in the intellectual models we use.   But then I've always been a very curious person.

 

[Ultim]

Not that I want to get into a Religious or philosophical debate, as I just come here to play games, but check this out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckfrn5-86xU

WOW A VIDEO WITH ARABIC SUBTITLES ?!!! Can you understand it ? I can hahahhahahahaha

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

Evolution, has never been more than an unconfirmed hypotheses, but scientists liked the idea that they could have science without a god, that they latched onto the idea right away. Evolution, is presented in schools a scientific law, and is treated as such. It is also never questioned or given any competing theroys. Of all other scientific subjects, the student is given the data supporting and not supporting every theroy out there, so that the student can come to his own conclusion. The only exception is evolution, to me it sounds like the teacher are afraid of having the teroy questioned because it WON'T stand up to real reason.

 

[Galenmereth]

@KingDanner: Of course you cannot observe evolution of kinds directly, but only through data like genetics, fossils, archeology, etc. Fossils are observable evidence when combined with other data, for example. Of course one human has to have a certain amount of "faith" in others and their research, but their explanations and their research should be well documented, and therefore rely on structured logic instead of guesswork. A theory is the foundation of any science, and data can confirm or debunk it. For example I believe in evolution, but not that Darwin's theory is necessarily correct.

What I find hilarious about this video is that it asks people to come up with examples of directly observable evolution, which is impossible. But there's so much data now that confirms the theory of evolution is true, but obviously it's not absolutely certain "we" crawled out of the sea for example. But fossils and genetics make the evolution of species like birds from dinosaurs rather obvious. It's a silly video, I'm sorry to say, because it asks an unanswerable question to people who do not even study evolution.

 

[The Prince of Sarcasm]

What I find hilarious about this video is that it asks people to come up with examples of directly observable evolution, which is impossible.

If it is impossible to come up with observable evidence, it doesn't follow the scientific method, and therefore is not science.

 

[GrandmaDeb]

Ha. Everyone knows birds came from dinosaurs bitten by a NINJA VAMPIRE!


lol.

Immense, boiling clouds of radiant light and outbreaks of particle-filled, irridescent smoke cover the Earth after the greatest conflict known to man. Out of the chaos, mankind bands together in small groups, some eventually finding survival with other groups, others in constant conflict.


And yet, mankind has changed. Some no longer are able to bear children with the females in the groups they reside with. These restless souls now wander the earth, searching for the answer - who are they? What are they?


Paranormal fans - insert your answer here!!!!!

So when we evolve into two different species, and the one species is ruled by Amazons who dominate weakling men and cultivate rare birds and have incredibly weird birth rituals (not cultural change there, just saying...) - and the other is Were-creatures infiltrated into an otherwise normal human population who can only reproduce with their fated MATE!~~~~~~~


And Clash of Cultures!!! one of the Amazons is a FATED MATE, and the two species have to band together because that boiling iridescent particle filled crud has been released back into the world by an evil maniac!!!!!!!!!!! (I'd add more exclamation points but when I joined the forum they added this automatic exclamation point limiter - kind of like the bad word filter - and it limits my exclamation points to under 200 per post.)


And THAT folks, is what will happen when the world divided into two species!

 

[Galenmereth]

If it is impossible to come up with observable evidence, it doesn't follow the scientific method, and therefore is not science.

Fossils, genetics, microbiology, archeology -- these are observable evidence. We got to the moon using observable evidence to calculate necessary math about things like gravity difference this way, and vacuum in space. You can't "see" the moon's gravity field: you can however observe it through scientific means like physics, and that's how we got there.

 

[Ultim]

Too much philosophy.I LOVE this thread.

 

[Deleted]

Fossils, genetics, microbiology, archeology -- these are observable evidence. We got to the moon using observable evidence to calculate necessary math about things like gravity difference this way, and vacuum in space. You can't "see" the moon's gravity field: you can however observe it through scientific means like physics, and that's how we got there.

The scientific method is as follows: Observe what happens; based on those observations, form a theory as to what may be true; test the theory by further observations and by experiments; and watch to see if the predictions based on the theory are fulfilled. This method is not followed by Evolutionists.

In regard to the fossil record: The amount of fossils actually discovered is limited, the vast majority of those fossils consist only of single bones and isolated teeth. Complete skulls—let alone complete skeletons—are rare.

The geologic record does not and has never yielded a finely graduated chain of slow and progressive evolution. In other words you can't connect one fossil to the next.

Genetics: Colin Patterson States - "We know nothing about these regulatory master genes".- In other words, There is no genetic evidence to support the Theory of Evolution.

The fact that most mutations are damaging to the organism seems hard to reconcile with the view that mutation is the source of raw materials for evolution. Indeed, mutation has only ever shown to be a destructive rather than a constructive process.

 

[Galenmereth]

Gross oversimplification of science does you no good. Have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

The theory of evolution is absolutely scientific, and it is indeed a theory in active study. But that doesn't simply devalue all the research done so far. It also doesn't mean that if you believe in evolution, you must be an atheist. I don't wish to derail this topic too much: I can link you tons of really good info on evolution if you're interested in challenging your preconceptions. If you aren't, we're both wasting time at this point.

 

[Deleted]

Gross oversimplification of science does you no good. Have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

The theory of evolution is absolutely scientific, and it is indeed a theory in active study. But that doesn't simply devalue all the research done so far. It also doesn't mean that if you believe in evolution, you must be an atheist. I don't wish to derail this topic too much: I can link you tons of really good info on evolution if you're interested in challenging your preconceptions. If you aren't, we're both wasting time at this point.

I agree we should end this debate, as I stated earlier, the purpose of this forum is game making. That's why I came to this forum, not to debate. Let's just agree to disagree, as everyone's entitled to there beliefs.

 

[whitesphere]

I believe strongly the process of evolution in no way shape or form denies that a divine force may be the Prime Mover which uses evolution as a tool.  After all, anything divine is not a creature of time, so if it took a billion human years to create life, it doesn't matter.  Answering How something happened doesn't answer Why.

 

[GrandmaDeb]

Well, getting ~technical~ since no one is having any ~fun~~~~~


The definition of species includes the concept of groups that cannot interbreed. In my lifetime this concept has evolved from meaning that two groups are biologically incapable of interbreeding --- to being physically incapable of interbreeding due to size limitations (think chihuahua and great dane) --- to being incapable of interbreeding due to physical barriers, such as geography (such a Florida panthers versus Catoctin Panthers.)


Science is very malleable.


But as it stands, if we send a group of humans on a one-way expedition into outer space, with the expectation that they will live on but never return, then we will have, by ~~definition~~ created a new species of human being.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Hian has it pretty much right. "Theory" in science doesn't mean the same thing it means in common parlance. Most scientific theories that we hear about have way way way way way more evidence in support of them than a lot of things that people here consider facts.

Gravity is also a theory. I don't see anyone jumping from a plane without a parachute because its a theory.

Evolution should seriously be one of the most uncontroversial theories when looked at from a purely scientific viewpoint. Remove faith in a book with even less supporting evidence from your worldview, and evolution is the only thing that makes sense when you study the evidence.

Also, I want to shoot red concussive beams of force from my eyes.

 

[Shaz]

To believe that evolution is scientific or a fact requires that you don't believe in God. This forum is not a place to debate God's existence (we have a rule about no discussions on religion), and is therefore also not a place to debate the truth of evolution. If you want to continue on a lighthearted line as some people in this thread have been doing, go for it, but the moment this turns into a debate about having faith in an unseen God vs having belief in a scientific theory, it will be closed.

 

[SoulPour777]

IMHO, I don't exactly disagree with evolution. If you look at it, there are evidences that animals from before evolved from what they are now today considering their environment and their life style. There is a geographic documentary of fishes that can only live on the lower part of the sea, but then they were surprised to see an evolved fish of the same specie that lives on the sulfuric side of the sea. That means that there is an evolution on their part... or if you call it Adaption then let it be. But still, there are scientific proofs of evolution out there. Animals and other species out there are examples.

I believe in Evolution, but I will never believe that I came from an Ape. Because if Apes really evolved into humans, then why are there still apes as of this moment? Does it mean that those apes never received evolution process?

Humor put, if apes really evolved into humans, why do I see people who look like frogs? Again, this is humor. The others are serious words.

 

[Nebuerys]

if Apes really evolved into humans, then why are there still apes as of this moment? Does it mean that those apes never received evolution process?

Because organisms of the same species do not evolve all at the exact same rate nor do they evolve into a set of pre-determined subspecies like what pokemon would suggest. Those apes that exist now are either less evolved due to a lesser need for evolution due their immediate environment being "ideal" for their current species or they simply branched off differently from humans.

Humor put, if apes really evolved into humans, why do I see people who look like frogs? Again, this is humor. The others are serious words.

The credits in Warcraft III will explain that for you.

 

[Arkane609]

 

[Solo]

Evolution should seriously be one of the most uncontroversial theories when looked at from a purely scientific viewpoint. Remove faith in a book with even less supporting evidence from your worldview, and evolution is the only thing that makes sense when you study the evidence.

I'm sorry, and I'm not going to say anything more after this, but faith goes far beyond any book.


And at some point, faith isn't even faith anymore. It becomes much more. A self-assurance that no one can rightfully challenge, because it's based on the individual's life experiences, which the skeptic, having not experienced, cannot understand.