Yanfly Buff & States Core - Buff formula change doubles stats?!

[Quite.Toxick]

Hello everyone,


I've got a question regarding Yanfly's Buff & States Core.


I designed my game to start at low values for all the parameters (class base stats range from 1 to 4 at Lv 1, hp 30-60, mp 4-12) to have a more controlled and linear progression. 


Thus, starting with low numbers, I wanted to change the Buff formula from [Parameter * 0.25 + 1.0] to [Parameter * 0.25 + 2.0], so that buffs will have a more noticeable impact early game, when 25% of a parameter isn't really a lot. So at least you'd have +2.  


However, if I change the formula in the plugin manager, ALL stats from ALL actors get doubled (60 hpm --> 120 hp, etc.) without even any buff being applied to anyone...


I have no idea why this is. All plugins are up to date and in the order that Yanfly suggests on his homepage. 


Is there something in the plugin's stettings I might have overlooked? Has anyone experienced the same issue?


Thanks and have a great day! 


~QT

 

[Maliki79]

Those numbers you are messing with are all percentages.


1.0 is = to 100%.


Therefore 2.0 = 200%.


If you want to change the effects of the buffs alone, change the 0.25 to something higher.  (That's 25% by the way.)


And yes, the buff formula affects everyone regardless of whether they have buffs currently or not.

 

[bgillisp]

The problem is the formula you used. You see, the buff formula is a decimal form of a percent, so parameter * 0.25 + 1.0 isn't adding 1 to the parameter, it is adding 100% of the parameter (1 is 100% in decimal form). So when you changed it to 2.0, you changed it to 200% being added to 25% of the parameter.

 

[Quite.Toxick]

Ahh, okay, I see.


I already suspected that I misunderstood the formula.


I knew a buff raises the parameter value by 25%, I mean thats what the formula says, but I thought the +1 was a flat bonus, so they you will have at least a raise by +1, even if the parameter is lower than 4.


Hmm… Do you have any idea how to implement such a flat bonus?

 

[Maliki79]

Ahh, okay, I see.


I already suspected that I misunderstood the formula.


I knew a buff raises the parameter value by 25%, I mean thats what the formula says, but I thought the +1 was a flat bonus, so they you will have at least a raise by +1, even if the parameter is lower than 4.


Hmm… Do you have any idea how to implement such a flat bonus?

Not in the context of this Plugin. 


And to be frank, I think that since you use small number for your stats, the buff system is probably no good to you (without editing plugins yourself.)


I would suggest instead to use states that can increase a stat by say 150%.


Either that or raise your starting stats past 10 so that a 25% buff can have impact.

 

[Quite.Toxick]

Hm, yeah, I guess you're right, sounds like the most sensible thing to do. States it is then ; ) 


Thanks for the feedback! 

 

[bgillisp]

I *think* you can use states to add a flat bonus to a parameter with the Buff and States Core for MV, but not sure. May wish to check the notetags Yanfly has for it, as it would be done that way.

 

[Quite.Toxick]

I *think* you can use states to add a flat bonus to a parameter with the Buff and States Core for MV, but not sure. May wish to check the notetags Yanfly has for it, as it would be done that way.

Meanwhile I found the notetag option (well, Yanfly stubbed my nose into it, to be exact).


It's in "Base Parameter Control", thou.


With the additional possibilities states offer in comparison to what a skill alone can do, I still have to figure out if using a buff is actually more viable when it comes to Defense than direct damage reduction via Physical/Magical Damage Rates...