Your Next Adventure Awaits: RPG Maker MZ Trailer #1

[Touchfuzzy]

Also, like man, I would love more information on Spider-Man: Miles Morales and the new Horizon game... and it will be WAAAAAY longer before I know anything about those than it will be before you guys learn more about MZ. I think MZ will be out before I learn more about either of those.

I'm not saying criticism of the marketing is invalid (and as long as they are kept civil I'm not that bothered by it), but man, there are things I've waited YEARS to learn more about after they are announced.

Just kind of wish people would tone it down a bit. Just one more week and I can start actually going in depth on some of the features, so please please can people be patient.

 

[Sword_of_Dusk]

Depending on who you ask, some folks were waiting around 10+ years to experience Kingdom Hearts 3 before it finally came out. While I do not subscribe to that thought process (because I waited only 5 years, due to not expecting anything until the title was finally announced), those people had a much worse wait than we do.

 

[bgillisp]

@Touchfuzzy : Hey I'm still waiting for more info on Wing Commander 6 and Star Control 4, last I heard on any of those games was in 1998 or so.

Whatcha mean those games are canceled? Bah!

 

[Candacis]

Windows 7 is over 10 years old, so nobody can realistically expect that MZ supports a 10 year old OS

Marketing of MZ is okay. A little bit dated maybe, but the drip feed wasn't as long or bad as in certain videogame releases.
Unfortunate that there wasn't an english teaser ready.

Something fun would be a twitch stream showcasing MZ and its features. But I don't know if the english branch is allowed to do that. Maybe closer to the actual release date?

 

[MikePjr]

I know it's bad here.. but i been trying to sort of.. mod things on the steam forums.. it's way worse there.
I wanna scream at the idiots on there.
I've already found myself cursing at them.
It's just the pissing and moaning and *****ing about MINOR **** that gets to me there...
Those folks are lucky i don't mod that forum.. there's a few topics i'd close or something lol..
They are getting .. toxic there.. toxic is the best term that comes to mind..

 

[Sword_of_Dusk]

I know it's bad here.. but i been trying to sort of.. mod things on the steam forums.. it's way worse there.
I wanna scream at the idiots on there.
I've already found myself cursing at them.
It's just the pissing and moaning and *****ing about MINOR **** that gets to me there...
Those folks are lucky i don't mod that forum.. there's a few topics i'd close or something lol..
They are getting .. toxic there.. toxic is the best term that comes to mind..

Sounds like Gamefaqs.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

There will be a stream that is going to show pretty much everything I can think of. But I can't do it until we've done all the feature announces.

And on the Steam forums: I've long since found that trying to moderate the Steam forums are not worth the effort unless you have a much larger staff than we do. Steam has some really toxic forums even when there AREN'T any issues.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Anyway, I don't want this to turn into pity party for me either. I just wanted to try to tone down some of the commentary.

Let's turn this back to discussing the engine itself. Thanks everyone.

 

[Candacis]

There will be a stream that is going to show pretty much everything I can think of. But I can't do it until we've done all the feature announces.

That's great to hear!

 

[Bastrophian]

Ooow! A stream! I cant wa...I mean, I WILL wait, but Im excited! I hope I dont have to work when you go live X3 .

 

[MikePjr]

Anyway, I don't want this to turn into pity party for me either. I just wanted to try to tone down some of the commentary.

Let's turn this back to discussing the engine itself. Thanks everyone.

Well, i'd like to apologize for any stress i've probably caused myself..
I'm not really happy so far either... but i don't blame you.
I lay blame squarely on Kadokawa.
After all these years, it still feels like the western market might be an afterthought.
I'll shut up now though.

So hey, Touchfuzzy.. can you comment on the part of that one window that say particle effects?
Is it like actual particle effects, or just a name change from something in MV?

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Not just a name change. I can't say much more than that. Next Thursday's announce will fully open up talking about the Animations tab.

 

[Veno]

(after reading all today's chat... Damn folks...)
Hey everyone, just chill.

For those upset, I'm with you. I dislike the drip marketing, I hate the ignorance of Western civilization, and I feel like I was just on a derailed hype train.

But the wonderful folks here like Touchfuzzy ARE NOT TO BLAME. And it's clear to me that taking our frustrations out here only serve to stress out the hard working folks on our side of the fence. Our messages will be lost and ignored by those we are truly upset with, so for now we should just chill.

I'm upset too, come sit in the corner with me and we can cry together. I've got scented tissues. Let's give Touch the rest week to relax.

 

[MikePjr]

I get this feeling.. that there's something special going on when it comes to tilsets.. because that's something they seem to be avoiding so far in everything that's been shown, that and the system tabs.
So considering all the stuff they've avoided showing.. leads me to think something special is there.
Also.. doesn't summer start at the end of this month?
That leads me to think it'll come out then or early next month.

 

[Driftwood Gaming]

Not just a name change. I can't say much more than that. Next Thursday's announce will fully open up talking about the Animations tab.

I look forward to next Thursday. Is it true that one of the image selections has been removed from the new animation editor as it shows in the trailer? In MV we have two options and they stack, so the first gives up to 100 cells, and the second one also has 100 more. (Has this been defunct to now only use a single png?)

P.S. I don't envy your position right now @Touchfuzzy . You're in an impossible situation. You cannot possibly make everyone happy, and you shouldn't try to. You're doing a great job and you've been very responsive here. I just want to say thank you.

 

[Htlaets]

I have to agree that the way they're marketing this isn't a huge deal, most of us will have forgotten about this altogether in a few months. On the other it does seem like they're using a marketing format that doesn't suit the product. The way things have been laid out is more akin to a game or movie marketing scheme-ish, which in both those cases there's a limited amount of info to release without spoiling things so spacing out info can spur the imagination and build hype.

In the case of an engine, the features aren't spoiler-able. It's not like a person will interested in going into the engine blind and then figuring out what feature does what more than they'd be interested in just knowing about said feature beforehand so they can plan around it. And the prospective buyers are more interested in imagining/getting hyped about what they can do with the features than they are imagining what the next revealed feature will be.

This type of marketing kinda backfires in this particular case, you get the attention of developers by saying you have a new engine, and you frustrate the ones who's attention you've gotten by not giving much info on what they can do with it and speculation is just frustrating when, if everything had been revealed right of the bat, the developers could instead be getting hyped about how they can use the engine.

If they had released with a fancy trailer with all the features laid out and a bunch of technical documentation to dig through it might have gone over better. People would be discussing their plug-in ideas, whether things can be ported, who's gonna be the next yanfly, etc.

Obviously, as I said, this isn't a huge deal, just felt like writing this out because I've experienced that slight frustration (it's like the hey look at this it's f'n nothing.gif of marketing and now we're all waiting for the full something).

Either case, probably won't be swapping engines for my project (too deep in), though I'm thinking I might buy it anyway depending on how many resources are available (and that character gen with multiple dead sprite positions is mighty tempting)

 

[nio kasgami]

Actually speaking of minor features is speaking of the new Screen resolution is something you can speak? I remember people saying the game resolution was bigger?

 

[The Stranger]

It's the curse of leadership, of being the face and voice of an organisation. You become the object of hate, of ridicule. Many won't care if you're responsible for what they don't like, or whether you even have the power to change it, they'll attack you all the same.

I wouldn't be able to handle your job, @Touchfuzzy, I really mean it. I'd lose my temper far too quickly and end up in constant fights with people. xD

And on the Steam forums: I've long since found that trying to moderate the Steam forums are not worth the effort unless you have a much larger staff than we do. Steam has some really toxic forums even when there AREN'T any issues.

It's a truly horrible place. It's not worth posting there even as a regular consumer. Seems like half of the threads in the Steam discussion boards are just complaining about the game the board is dedicated to. It's not even just complaining, but mocking it, and insulting it. The good topics get buried by all this toxic crap.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Yeah I never post on Steam forums myself as a consumer either. Overall I'm very positive on Steam, and use it for pretty much all my PC games that use it, but their forums are a bit of a nightmare.

 

[Touchfuzzy]

Also a bit of a clarification on some things said: Just because I wouldn't have done this marketing this way, doesn't mean that I think the people who made those decisions are necessarily wrong, just that I would have preferred a different approach. I work with a lot of wonderful people and I don't want anyone to blame them either.

Even if the marketing decisions were not correct, changing direction is also not easy. It isn't like any one person can unilaterally decide to change what we are doing. (On top of the fact that certain announces aren't even ready yet, we can't release information on every single new feature right this second cause I haven't written the descriptions of all the new features yet... and we also have at least one video incoming from Archeia that hasn't been made yet either).