Your Next Adventure Awaits: RPG Maker MZ Trailer #1

[Xelion]

A little late on this topic but as far as people being critical goes...people should be allowed and encouraged to express their opinions and give feedback, whether it's positive or negative, especially if they plan on being paying customers. I think if everyone just loved everything that was released without any criticism or feedback then everything would be in worse shape than it is and there would be little progress or improvement. Changes usually come from negative feedback, especially if there is a lot of it and people tend to "vote with their wallets" and businesses know this and they want to make money.

Now I'm not saying that if you legitimately think something is the "bees knees,"so to speak, that you shouldn't be allowed to express this either, this goes both ways. People should respect that other people have differing opinions on things and should be allowed to express it and others if they disagree should be able to express why if they wish to do so. I tend to be on the more critical side of things but I always try to see both sides of something even if I have a particular leaning one way over another. People shouldn't call others "toxic" just because they have a differing opinion or if they were maybe expecting a bit more.

Just my 2 cents here, feel free to agree or disagree with what I said.

You probably didn't read those said comments we're talking about. There's no opinions or criticism in most of them, just hate and negative attitudes.

 

[JosephSeraph]

I just opened "VX" and listened to "Battle1"...
It brings me bitter tears... Time to go listen to the entire discography of Tommy February6 as a cleansing ritual

 

[Knightmare]

@Knightmare, I don't think anyone here was decrying those who have negative opinions. The problem is writing off the engine before we have all the info.

I understand, I've read the entire topic, but those people who write it off already still have the right to express their opinion. They are not being "wowed" by what has been produced so far. I personally agree with you but still saying they have a right to be negative if they so choose. In my opinion they should be more patient but I won't decry them the ability to post their feelings or thoughts on it.

You probably didn't read those said comments we're talking about. There's no opinions or criticism in most of them, just hate and negative attitudes.

It's still an opinion, if you don't agree with it that is fine, I don't agree with them either, but they still have a right to express it even if others disagree. They didn't like what was presented so far, it's ok, if you do that's cool.

 

[Dalph]

@Knightmare
How can they have an opinion when nothing is shown here?
It's like saying:
Oh you know I don't like the new Star Wars movie because the trailer sucks!

Oh I don't like that book because the title and the cover are not nice.

Wut?

That's not an opinion, that's hating for no reason. lol

You can have an opinion when you have enough info and/or you actually tried the product.

 

[Xelion]

I understand, I've read the entire topic, but those people who write it off already still have the right to express their opinion. They are not being "wowed" by what has been produced so far. I personally agree with you but still saying they have a right to be negative if they so choose. In my opinion they should be more patient but I won't decry them the ability to post their feelings or thoughts on it.



It's still an opinion, if you don't agree with it that is fine, I don't agree with them either, but they still have a right to express it even if others disagree. They didn't like what was presented so far, it's ok, if you do that's cool.

Well, you may be right but at least I personally don't consider as opinions things like insulting Degica (cause some directly blame them for everything), asking RPGMakerweb's staff to get fired or complaining about things from which we still don't have any concrete information.

Edit: oh I think we're getting too much offtopic here

 

[Tea's Jams]

@Knightmare
How can they have an opinion when nothing is shown here?
It's like saying:



Oh you know I don't like the new Star Wars movie because the trailer sucks!

Speaking of that, was anyone else shocked by how monumetally bad that movie actually was?


But yeah, some of the "criticism" I've seen can be more accurately described as ignorant whining.


Side note: It's very hard to post on a phone lol

 

[meowengine]

So if MZ is following a similar announcement pattern to Ace, then we should be able to get it this time next month. Maybe even earlier!

 

[The Stranger]

@Knightmare
How can they have an opinion when nothing is shown here?
It's like saying:
Oh you know I don't like the new Star Wars movie because the trailer sucks!

Oh I don't like that book because the title and the cover are not nice.

Wut?

That's not an opinion, that's hating for no reason. lol

You can have an opinion when you have enough info and/or you actually tried the product.

They're still opinions, they're just unfounded opinions. If you don't have access to facts, you can't really form a sound opinion on something. Unfounded opinions are everywhere, you can see them at work each and every day.

I make crap assumptions and formulate terrible and wrong opinions constantly. lol.

It's why I take issue with the whole "opinions can't be wrong" thing, because they absolutely can be wrong. An opinion can be built upon some seriously shaky foundations. if your opinion is born of faulty information, etc, then it's probably wrong.

People can express their dodgy opinions all they like, but you don't need to entertain them or take them seriously when they do.

I'm just rambling now. xD

 

[Musashi]

People complaining about people judging a product by what's presented to them... That's the reason they release information, to "sell" the product before it's fully released. Of course people will judge based on the information they have. If they're reacting poorly to it then it's the marketing's fault, not the "toxic generation of buyers" or whatever You don't release a bad trailer for your movie and then say "but wait until you see the entire movie you morons!"

Also, different times - people are now more used to get more information and fast. I mean, if it wasn't for the leaks I'd be very disappointed by now. They managed to divide a teaser in 3 weeks while promising amazing news after each time... ew. The announcements are so forgettable that every Friday now I think I missed the week's announcement xD
This is not directed to anyone here of course, it's not their fault.
I'm actually having fun with the hype + lack of information and reading the comments here... and judging by the size of these threads, maybe that's what they wanted all along... maybe they were... right

 

[The Stranger]

@Musashi Perhaps they want our minds to fill in the blanks, kinda like how horror movie monsters are much more unsettling when you can't see them. Same principle, only they're hoping to hype us by keeping MZ in the shadows. xD

 

[SJWebster]

RE criticism, if you can't do it respectfully and constructively, don't bother. A lot of what I'm seeing isn't criticism, it's whingeing.

I actually like negative feedback. It gives me actions, I have something I can take away and do. Positive feedback is, well, I mean, that's nice but I can't really improve my craft with it.

We use the same format at work that I learned in uni and I think it's really useful.
"I do / don't like this." - alright, that's just a statement which I'm going to ignore.
"I do / don't like this because..." - maybe now see where you're coming from, but I'm getting no ideas.
"I do / don't like this because... Here's a suggestion..." - yes! Now I know what you're highlighting, why, and you're offering a solution. This is proper critcism.

I'd also like to dispel freedom of speech. One, it doesn't entitle you to an audience. Two, it doesn't relieve you of the consequences of what you say. Three, it's often the defence of someone who doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Further to that, this whole I'm the paying customer, I'm always right business. No you are not and I'm really glad right to refuse service is a thing. Get over yourself. I often find customer service employees and social media handlers have to put up with people being rather disgusting all day and, funnily enough, if you're the one pleasant, respectful, and understanding customer they've had all day they're far more likely to genuinely want to help you.

For what it's worth, I think Touchfuzzy has done a good job of saying "Look, guys, the marketing, I get it. I really do. It's not the way I'd have approached it. I've let the people in charge know. It's probably not going to change direction or plans mid-campaign so you might have to just grin and bear it. Can we please move on now?"

 

[masterlobo]

RE criticism, if you can't do it respectfully and constructively, don't bother. A lot of what I'm seeing isn't criticism, it's whingeing.

While I agree with your post in general... people are free to whine. A lot probably don't have the attention span or skill to transform their opinion into constructive criticism.

As your own post states, it should be up to the company / mods to ignore the feedback of the type "I do / don't like this."

It should also be the company's job to help these people articulate their feelings so that they become constructive feedback, for example through surveys, telemetry, etc.

Antagonizing your own customers is a big no in my opinion, they have devoted their (allegedly) hard earned money and time on your product.

 

[Musashi]

Good luck with your "constructive criticism" when talking to your family, friend, government, partner, neighbor... it's not welcomed either complaining is way more fun! Everybody has an annoying friend that always tries to fix all your problems

 

[Htlaets]

@Musashi Perhaps they want our minds to fill in the blanks, kinda like how horror movie monsters are much more unsettling when you can't see them. Same principle, only they're hoping to hype us by keeping MZ in the shadows. xD

That seems to be the goal but that's a more productive and interesting exercise for a movie or game. People don't generally want to be shocked and surprised about an engine's features while they think about buying it, though, they wanna be thinking about what they can do with the features, not what the features are. It's the reverse of marketing for other things where interest is bred better by putting it all out there and letting people hype each other up with their plans.

Still, though, it's not that big a deal, just slightly annoying.

 

[RastaMan]

I just want to know exact date of release and make pre-order already...

 

[Meike]

I just want to know exact date of release and make pre-order already...

Saaammmmeeeee

I just want to hype on what we do know and wish that the week went:
Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday

Cause you know, everyone needs the weekend off XD

 

[SJWebster]

Considering RPG Maker VX Ace is £52.99, RPG Maker MV is £60.99, and Pixel Game Maker MV is £67.99, I'm going to estimate MZ will be somewhere in the region of £64.99.

 

[Bastrophian]

@SJWebster - :/ eeeehhh....well, all of those were alot more when they first came out though. I know MV was somewhere around $80 bucks + (by it self, not counting the extra day one bunus stuff).... Im thinking this one will be in the $100 range. :<

 

[Kes]

Here is where I stick my head above the parapet and could end up being hated on, but still, let's see what happens.

It should also be the company's job to help these people articulate their feelings

I genuinely wonder about that. That seems to sugges that a commercial company has a duty of psychotherepeutic intervention so that people learn to express their feelings in an appropriate way. Really?

Also, while it is true that people are free to whine, is this something that anyone at all should encourage? (Just because I can do something in no way indicates whether or not I should do it.) Whining is not an adult way to deal with difficulties or disappointments, so should a commercial company be actively seeking to facilitate that?

 

[The Stranger]

I wonder if MZ will have similar asset packs to MV on release? Like the cover hero pack, and that one that added a bunch of RTP style elemental buildings and stuff.